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Name: Eileen
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Date: 29 Dec 2003
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keeping it all in perspective
http://ourplanet.ath.cx/satellite/
Mark~Never heard of them.Wonder who this former salesman is? Such a limp way to ID someone. What could I be? Forrmer sex maniac with a fondness for bacon and grits and knives.
Name: Mark
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Date: 29 Dec 2003
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This came to me via the Sixties list, the rest of the article is posted on the Free City News page.
Commune to Close, After Years of Strife and Striving
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/25/national/25COMM.html
By SARAH KERSHAW
Published: December 25, 2003
ARLINGTON, Wash. — On 300 lush wooded acres in the foothills of the Cascade Mountains, in a compound dotted with Craftsman-style homes and organic garden plots, Love coexists with Honesty, Beauty, Serious and about 35 other like-minded individuals with similarly virtuous first names.
Though most are unrelated, they share the last name Israel. Beauty is an office assistant. ("Hi, this is Beauty Israel," she says on the phone.) Their spokesman is Serious.
The community, called Love Israel, after its leader and founder, is an enduring relic of the hippie commune explosion of the 1960's, one of the last true communes left in this country. Mr. Israel, a former salesman from Haight-Ashbury, organized the group in Seattle in 1968, basing it on principles of Christian love and a philosophy he described as "We are all one, love's the answer, and now's the time."
But it looks as if Love Israel's time here is up.
Name: Eileen
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Date: 29 Dec 2003
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I'm telling you guys the only route that'll keep this all inperspective is totally giving up all hope. A sweet interview in Jan. Elle, with Drew Barrymore..concerning her view on Bush, "I feel like if we could see him right now, he's be frying ants with a magnifying glass." HA! Girls got the picture, ain't it?
Name: Hammond
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Date: 29 Dec 2003
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Today it all just makes me sick - I am at a general loss of words. From the mad cow to the 5 bombs worth of plutonium that has recently "gone missing" in the UK and back again to the seemingly countless issues to address that are being ignored by the men in dark suits who seem to be more concerned about people reading almanacs (! really... ala the FBI today). The Thesaurus will be next..........Ranting
Name: Mark
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Date: 29 Dec 2003
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You're a hundred per cent right on the dumbing down effects of nationalism. Keep them pissed off and scared of anything that doesn't look like home. Perpetrating the choke hold on media is what gets that job done. Controlling and fabricating history in order to fashion predictions of fear and hatred that meet the needs of warmongering pigs is the battle now. Before the media explosion and the freedom that the Internet brings it wasn't so hard to keep a lid on things. Now it is a battle of noise, a increasingly desparate battle to drown out disenting or just different perspectives. In the long run with the Internet shrinking the world by letting anyone know what is up that has a phone line and electricity may well be the undoing of the ruling class. I am sure most of us remember when it was all just newspapers, radio, a few TV networks, telephones and bookstores.
Name: Jag
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Date: 29 Dec 2003
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Mark if people in this country would only expose themselves to the thought process of the billions of non Americans, even occasionally, they might overcome the rampant xenophobia promulgated by the right and especially this administration. The fear of anything outside the borders of this country is appalling. Even Canada comes under fire, and the French! I bet the majority of our populace don't even know the history of the Statue of Liberty. We immerse ourselves in such mundanity and self absorbtion that we never see the forest for the trees. Iran is a perfect example, I watch the BBC as much as possible and the International Network as well. It's all the same world! Why can't we understand that!
Name: The 3rd Page
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Date: 29 Dec 2003
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"The Original Kimano"
http://emptymirrorbooks.com/thirdpage/kimano.html
Name: Eileen
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Date: 29 Dec 2003
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Good morning all. Mark~My thoughts exactly. Can't get much clearer than that.
Name: Mark
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Date: 29 Dec 2003
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Here is a link forwarded by my brother to an editorial in the Tehran Times about the aid being sent to Iran for the earthquake disaster in Bam. It is explanatory of the political moves of the US as seen from their point of view.
http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?...
Name: Hammond
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Date: 29 Dec 2003
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I have been on the Hammond diet for many years - which does include meat - but free range meat 90% of the time - lots and lots of vegi and fruit - milk products in moderation and lots and lots of great coffee. As a general rule I fast 2 days a week out of habit - drinking lots of water. Oh yeah and then the smoking thing.... Oh never mind I don't recommend any of this to anyone... Eat Friendly Because We Are What We Eat .... Great comments everyone.... Hey it's snowin outside here in Portland.
Name: patman
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Date: 29 Dec 2003
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Mcming- I too have been doing the ol' atkins thing. I finally decided to try something deifferent after years of low fat and sporadic exercise.I would eat dry bagels, Lots of grilled chicken, Rice,Pasta and plenty of air popcorn in the evenings. Also I would eat plenty of salads and steamed veggies of all sorts. Skim milk, Fat free half and half in my coffee and plenty of cereals.I still managed to go from 165lbs to 200lbs while trying not to put on much weight. Since I've found splenda (That new no carb safe sugar replacement that they twisted a molecule on and made carb. free) and really limit my carb intake, and not worry about fat. Robin makes this homemade icecream out of whole cream and splenda flavored syrup. Hell, Its amazing all the carbs in 2% milk compared to whole cream which has 0 carbs. I hav'nt felt like I am on a diet since I followerd the original atkins protocol for the 1st 2 weeks.If I* get the munchies at night I eat all the cheese(not low fat,its made from 2% milk and is loaded with milk sugar carbs)olives,pistachios,macadamias and almonds I want.Hell if I choose I can eat all the bacon I want. I have lost over 20 lbs. and I only exercise once a week at the gym while I'm in Georgia working. I have lost 3 inches off my waist and am back to being lean and trim, Hardly any noticable body fat and my energy is great.I had my labs done for a yearly physical and my cholesteral remains in the normal zone and although not above normal before my glucose leval went down a bit. The onle bummer is with all the great small bakerys here in asheville I miss going by for the fresh breads on a regular basis.Sounds like you have the right idea on the beef procurement.
Best of everything for everyone at this sight.To each your own. Whatever works best. Love and Peace Patrick
Name: Nicole
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Date: 29 Dec 2003
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I think Spong Bob Square pants cousin has come to town...that would be Spongiform Cow Brains.
For God sakes...I more than ever believe it's the mother doing her work to get rid of us...or more to the heart of it...our collective consciousness figuring a way to push it all through so that life can get back to basics.
EN call me today if you can.
Name: Eileen
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Date: 29 Dec 2003
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Would that be who..or what? I think about how many cultures for so long, have had their food and style of clothing set. It's not been a big question what one was going to wear or eat. I have often wondered what is most natural to my body from past cultural diet. But we have been so mixed culturally it's hard to figure what aspect of one's genelogy to address. I find I am more at ease about my food when I keep my diet sort of like a childs..simple. Not that I don't love grand meals and will happily eat pretty much anything well made. But I still sometimes fast briefly just to get more conscious about my eating. Being fat in many places of the world meant wealth. Now it's just mindless over abundance. I bet by now we (use here) at least have a pretty good idea about what we need to do to be our healthiest. Such an irony this is a problem.
Name: Jag
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Date: 29 Dec 2003
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Deciding what to put in ones body has always been a prickly question eh?
Name: Eileen
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Date: 28 Dec 2003
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McMing~Yep.
Name: McMing
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Date: 28 Dec 2003
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To Eileen & others .. I can't recommend my own choices to anyone else,
but living on a liberal Atkins diet .. it all depends on your blood type, climate etc .. in other words, a Macrobiotic concept of nourishment is the most useful way of considering these things .. but except for Hawaii or other semi-tropical places ,,, I'm not so sure about the whole raw-food philosophy. I think food is the most elemental alchemy, I don't like raw .. enzymes are another question .. food science is the basis of truly advanced medicine & you cannot discover these things unless you study this complex matter for yourself.
Name: Eileen
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Date: 28 Dec 2003
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You me and a few others no doubt. I'm currently adding local goat milk and yogurt for a try. I do love milk and it will be the hardest to put aside if I get that far. I've tried for yr and now I just boil the shit out of local oraganic. I can tell it makes a healthier difference. Back to the last of my warping so I can get this loom set up tonight.
Name: Jag
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Date: 28 Dec 2003
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I totally agree with the concept of using every vestige of an honorable kill to provide sustenance for the tribe and material for life much as the Lakota did in a symbiotic existence with their buffalo, but the way it is done today is a mockery and a sham. Even whalers did more to honor their prey than the modern slaughter house and that isn't saying much since whaling was such a mindless adventure of profiteering at the expense of such a wonderous creature. Today it is slaughter pure and simple no adventure, no honor least of all for the confined and tortured cow, pig, chicken etc. I am rethinking my priorities vis a vis food choices and hope I can do better in the future.
Name: Eileen
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Date: 28 Dec 2003
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Jag~The idea of every bit of an animal being used is totally correct. I think we can all agree on that. But the way it is being done is incorrect in the extreme. Leave to "us" to come up with something so totally out of harmony with nature. What we ultimately are going to have to come to terms with is, as I said, ALL our food. But at the rate things are going we are going to have to have the other shoe drop (Ha all those other shoes) before we stop and assess the changes we must make. blah blah blah What am I saying we haven't all thought about? It's the things we all learn to adjust to for convience and and a "better life". It continues to bite us in the butt and we haven't the sense to figure out what to do about it I guess, so it will be figured out for us by the Cause and Effect of Nature. Maybe the Hokey Pokey really is ALL it's about. Nature Bats Last. take your pick
Name: Jag
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Date: 28 Dec 2003
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Eileen, very prescient, latest update is the animal in question has reached several more states than thought and the fact is we only spot check these cows so the odds are this is far more widespread than the public is being allowed to know. Not surprising since the bottom line is all its truly about and how much can they literaly milk out of a carcass, diseased, crippled and genetically altered. Ground into every possible byproduct and material that can be squeezed for a few more cents.
Name: Eileen
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Date: 28 Dec 2003
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Scanning the conversations here I have to say we sure are good at taking any thought and being able to run with it. Are goats in danger of Mad Cow as equally? This mornings 2 cents: I think the notion of feeding animals their own byproducts and are not intended to eat anything but grass and such is disgustingly WRONG. The upside of Mad Cow is for the public (including me) to come to terms with how much cow goes into all sorts of things they don't want to even have to think about. Certainly in the end all aspects of mass production of ALL our food is going to have to come out. The genetic manipulation of our seeds and now the trees and how it is cross pollinating and destroying plants, animals and and and...like radioactive garbage we don't know what to do with..the time line on all this goes apparently into forever as we know it. We're trying to keep this out of our county currently otherwise even the organic gardens and open pollinated seeds and crops are done for. And we thought it was going to be earth quakes or terrorists that were going to do us in. Who needs em when we are doing it to ourselves thank you very much. And one more word on this that does worry me. OR/WA's economy was already going down the drain. This is horrible to have hit there and the people must be feeling freaked. But I have to say if this hasn't turned up in more states that them I bettcha it's cause they haven't looked close enough. I am tired of this now. Am going to focus on a weaving for my dad birthday that I have to have warped up and findished in 3 days. Check in here with ya tonight when I come up for air.
Name: Jag
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Date: 28 Dec 2003
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Of course the term Whale Capitol is not congratulatory, as they earned it as the de-facto slaughter house and staging area for the whaling industry and all the carnage it produced.
Name: Jag
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Date: 28 Dec 2003
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Thanks for the update Rena, tragic non-the-less when a child dies. When I was a crew member on the SS Independence out of Honolulu we would run into whale pods occasionally and the Captain would slow to a crawl to allow the passengers to gawk, I must confess I gawked as well, it is quite beautiful to observe such massive creatures in there habitat yet our ship never intentionaly intruded, pretty hard for a cruise ship to sneak up on anything, and I know how intrusive the whale watch crews can be. Lahina used to be the whale capitol of the world back in the 1800's now it seems to be nothing more than a tourist attraction with a large Banyon tree.
Name: Rena
EmailAddress: cow parts
Date: 28 Dec 2003
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Aloha. it's now recommended that gardeners using bone meal for fertilizer wear face masks as the Mad Cow Disease prions are transferable by the dust from these fertilizers.
did you want to wash your face in this? soap and other goodies made from cow parts. as in Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle," the beef industry uses everything but the moo. (in the Jungle, the lines was, " we use everything but the squeal."
Cow Parts Used in Candles, Soaps Recalled
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3555449,00.html
Saturday December 27, 2003 4:16 PM
By RUKMINI CALLIMACHI
Associated Press Writer
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - Cow parts - including hooves, bones, fat and innards - are used in everything from hand cream and antifreeze, to poultry feed and gardening soils.
In the next tangled phase of the mad cow investigation, federal inspectors are concentrating on byproducts from the tainted Holstein, which might have gone to a half-dozen distributors in the Northwest, said Dalton Hobbs, spokesman for the Oregon Department of Agriculture.
Now, it's the secondary parts, the raw material for soil, soaps, candles, that are being recalled.
Los Angeles-based Baker Commodities, Inc., announced Friday it has voluntarily withheld 800 tons of cow byproduct processed in its Seattle and Tacoma, Wash., plants, said company spokesman Ray Kelly. The company, like other ``renderers,'' takes what is left of the cow after it is slaughtered and boils it down into tallow, used for candles, lubricants and soaps, and bone meal used in fertilizer and animal feed.
If the U.S. Food and Drug Administration determines that the material is tainted, the company's loss could total $200,000, Kelly said.
``It's obviously a tragic thing for the whole beef industry, but it's definitely a sizable hit for us,'' he said.
Darling International, Inc., the nation's largest independent rendering operation in the U.S., has also been contacted by the FDA. But officials at their Tacoma and Portland plants, as well as at their international headquarters in Irving, Texas, declined to comment on how their operation has been affected.
``Our first priority was to make sure it didn't go into the food supply,'' said Hobbs, reiterating that meat sent to two Oregon distributors was recalled earlier in the week.
But tracing all of the sick cow's parts to their final destination, including numerous possible incarnations in household products, has proved challenging.
``It's like the old Upton Sinclair line - 'We use everything but the squeal,''' Hobbs said. ``We have nearly 100 percent utilization of the animal. But when you have so many niche markets, it makes it incredibly challenging to trace where this one cow may have gone.''
Companies that use bone meal from cows to create fertilizers, a kind of soil popular with rose growers, may find themselves under the spotlight. At the height of Britain's mad cow epidemic in the 1990s, three victims of the human form of mad cow were found to be gardeners.
In 1996, the Royal Horticultural Society of London released an advisory, cautioning gardeners to wear face masks after it was reported that the dust from the bone-meal soil could carry the mutated protein.
But Scientific American editor Philip Yam said there was no conclusive evidence the gardeners died from inhaling soil containing the infected cow tissue.
A far greater risk is the cow material - including roughage and offal - used in animal feed, said Yam, whose book, ``The Pathological Protein,'' is a scientific account of the disease.
In 1997, the FDA banned cow feed that included cow byproducts, after scientists concluded that the feed was the main transmitter of mad cow disease. The disease, formally known as bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or BSE, is found in a cow's nervous system.
Yam points out that while giving cow feed to cows was outlawed, feeding it to poultry is still legal. Some farmers, he said, are still in the habit of feeding their cows ``chicken litter'' - the remains of the poultry feed, scooped off the ground, feathers and all.
``It's one of those loopholes,'' Yam said. ``It sounds good in theory - don't feed cow to cow, feed the remains to chickens. But in practice things happen.
Name: Rena
EmailAddress: yin yang yab yum
Date: 28 Dec 2003
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Jag,
further reports state that the child was three and died because he hit his head on a wooden beam.
A lot of the whale watch boats do chase the whales in active pursuit, which is illegal. It’s called harassment. I read the captain was in active pursuit of a pod of whales and stumbled across another pod. the whale was just trying to get out of the way and dive under the boat. The captain, when he saw the whale, made an abrupt stop and the boy fell.
The Pac Whale Foundation is one of the worst here in lacking respect for the whales. Captains are encouraged to pursue whales to please customers and increase their tips. These whales come here to mate. sometimes the bulls are in HOT pursuit in a heat run, charging after a female. it’s like watching a pod of mac trucks coming at you, but they always dive below the boat. some of the whale boats are really fast. How’d you like a bunch of jet skis buzzing around your bedroom while you’re making love? The boats are supposed to stay 100 yards away, though the whale is allowed to come to you. but, racing towards a pod of distant whales, it’s easy to miss a nearer pod and run (literally) into them. I don’t blame this on the whale.
FYI-Service, Jeremy Saffron wrote the book, called “The Raw Truth.” It’s on amazon at
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/...
The recipes in this are winners.
The rains just started. major storms for a week are predicted. it was a beautiful day toay. spent the morning at Little Beach.
Hi Eileen, Hi Jenn! lots of laughter to ya.
Name: Jenn
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Date: 27 Dec 2003
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Rena,
Yes!!! I totally agree with the link between agressiveness and meat consumption. The book by Robbins turned my then 11 year old into a devout veggie head, he is now 15, and )@(*$)@ he just came to visit (lives with dad) and he declaired that he now is willing to eat meat after spending time with "beefy" realitives. He is such a sweet boy, who is very calm and thoughtful. I am really worried that the hormone levels will literally beef him up. I live in an area where cancer is at an alarming level. I am sure due to the shit people are willing to put into their mouths.
Gardening is the most wonderful pleasure. Cosmic yoga. To pick the raw food lovingly grown from my garden and place in on our table is an exhilerating experience. We also compost and use only organic materials. So many of our friends who can not grow food eat from our garden, and it's not even huge. We use french intensive with mulch, and companion planting. No pests plague us because our plants are so healthy. We are lucky to live in an area where we have more healthy store options than not! We have vegetarian restaurants aplenty.
The jews have kosher law and they have a rabbi slice the throats of the animals with a very sharp blade, supposed to not cause the whole fear adrenilin thing. I'm skeptical. I find garden burgers and meat substitutes are an easier way to wein meat, chicken etc out of the diet. I must confess, that I do imbibe the fleshy (that could make me stop in itself) meats, but generally not.
Our schools here are even considering healthy alternatives for the kids lunch programs, with no soda or candy machines available. I mean
what kid would not use them!
An aside....does anyone else have the sensation that the shape of the current world is in direct...and I mean direct polar opposite to the fabulous beauty that surrounds us? For such a long time it has been a bliss/dispair teeter tauter in my heart. It aches for the lack of humane beings, while marveling at the "onederness" of the universe. I guess it is true the ying yang balance.
Namaste to one and all
Jenn
Name: Eileen
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Date: 27 Dec 2003
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Rena..You are right about the free from fear thing when not eating meat. I believe it is because when animals are killed (how, I won't ruin your day with) they are full of adrenaline. Also this is what makes pig meat such a light color one often sees..the lighter, the more badly killed. I think the connection to what it does to us is obvious. When I have totally stopped eating all meat (which has not been very often but I'm back to thinking about going back to tofu and fish) aften a few wks it's like a veil of fear/darkness noticably drifts off. FYI, KFC is made with the young roosters. What do you think the egg business needs with roosters? Rena~this will not go in your cookbook.
Pam's Grandmothers deep dish apple (any fruit cooked or not, can be used) cheese cake:
Makes 1 pie/ Cook up crust just a bit before filling. Mix: 4 oz cream cheese/ 1/2 C sugar/ 2 egg yolks/ 1 t vanilla (or almond extract)/ 1/2 pt sour cream/ 1 T flour (heaping)/fold in 2 beaten egg whites/ pour over mounded sliced apples (2 or 3)
350 degree oven/ cook approx. 30 min or until top begins to brown
Name: FYI- Service
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Date: 27 Dec 2003
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"Rawsome Recipes from RNA" - This will be a best seller.
Name: Jag
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Date: 27 Dec 2003
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I am rethinking my diet for sure, on another note Rena, I heard about the five year old who was killed by the tail of a submerging hump-back as a whale watching boat was intruding to close off the coast of Maui(I think). The poor child just happened to be near the railing and the tail slapped him as the whale submerged. Tragic to the max and just more evidence of our encroaching on nature even when we feel it's "harmless".
Name: Hammond
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Date: 27 Dec 2003
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Thanks RNA - I think I will just stop eating all together.
Name: ohio girl
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Date: 27 Dec 2003
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Eileen could you post or e-mail that recipe, I'm always on the lookout for cheesecake things for the true cheesecake fan I'm married to. And I'm attracted to tricky easy type recipes.
Silence is golden, it made my day to detect a silent hint among the messages.......
Patrick thanks, I think bad boy C and I are trying to hold each other under but I intend to be the one that comes up to the surface. Mark it can't hurt to get tested, gives you more time for options that way if you need them, blissful peace of mind if you don't. I should talk, I had felt like shit for quite awhile when it was starting to affect me, but I didn't get tested until I hurt my knee at work and got talked into having a physical.
Glide Church was one of the early things I looked up when we first got on the Internet. Someone (doctor or nurse?) at the Free Clinic back in the daze saved my life or my sanity a couple of times, and he kept telling me about Glide Church and trying to get me to go there..... probably one of those things I should have done. I'm glad to have their link here right in front of me, I'm going there next....
KFC memory. We went there many years ago with my Mom, who is a bona fide gourmet cook, an incredible cook. She was disturbed about the small size of the chicken breasts. My theory had always been that they grew a special very small breed of chicken so they could serve us smaller portions and we'd buy more. Anyways Mom complained and they explained to her that her chicken "breast" was a "keel," i.e. like the keel of a boat. They cut each breast into 3 tiny pieces, 2 sides and the middle (keel). Mom just kept glaring with disbelief at the woman doing this keel explanation. Mom was so mad they gave her an extra plate of tiny chicken pieces. I learned when I worked at McDonald's many years ago, they have a machine that "quarters" an egg into 6 wedges. The half an egg on your salad is really a third of an egg. We eat less and less at fast foods, haven't been to KFC in years. I don't choose to be a strict vegetarian but I'm pretty close to it. Because my younger son, a vegan, was up for Christmas, Mom included many fabulous vegetarian dishes in the Christmas spread. Peace
Name: r n a
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Date: 27 Dec 2003
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I saw a friend tonight who jus treturned from Scotland. He said no one eats red meat there any more. Even, his mother won't touch it, and she used to be a red meat devotee.. There's a lot of new vegetarians in in Europe now, thanks to the European mad cow disease.
a few days ago i picked up a highchiker who hailed from Wales. She told me that when the herds were slaughtered due to mad cow the stench was everywhere, 24/7. there was no where you could go to get away from the stench of the thousands of rotting carcuses.
Mark, I think the raw food experience can be incredible. it depends who is preparing the food and what they are preparing. it takes a lot of time to make a wide array of raw food delights. and, they are wonderful. no question i feel more light and lively on raw. I still eat cooked food: love miso vegetable seaweed soup (oh wow) and other godies. we had spaghetti squash with a tomato veggie sauce the other night. but, i've also had it raw, with a raw spaghetti squash and a raw sauce.
know your sources. eat organic when possible. and, if possible, eat food from local farmers. i realize the folks in snowbound winters don't have this option. but, even city dwellers can make sprouts.
soaked nuts, seeds, grains, lots of fruits, veggies, sprouts, over here we get young coconut. lots of nori, for making - nori rolls- ! there's no lack of variety and some of the raw food chefs are incredible.
for the most part the healthiest people i know are the raw foodists. but, if you get someone who only eats' fruit, he can get really spaced out from lackc of protein and too much sugar. so, being raw isn't enough. raw and balanced... Rawsome.
Name: Mark
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Date: 27 Dec 2003
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RNA,
Awhile back you mentioned that you were taking a raw foods class. I just read a controversial article in a cooking magazine that took one its proponents to task but did agree with some but far and away not all of the claims of cookless eating. What did you think of the raw food thing?
Name: Rena
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Date: 26 Dec 2003
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It's time to get real now about the food concepts, especially since beef is no longer safe to eat.
90% of commercial chicken has tumors. that's Tumors. TUMORS.
How do you want your tumors? barbecued or fried? grilled? broiled?
Almost all chicken has Salmonella. many people go to the hospital for this. People die from salmonella.
Tuna is high in mercury. especially canned.
It's time to love turnips. and all the plant life. Find organic sources for your food: better yet, prepare your garden. I think the single most important skill our children need to learn right now is to grow their own food. organically. Love those worm castings...
start with a compost pit for those of you with a yard. I don't even pit, just pile in a corner of the land under a coconut tree my son Planted 27 years ago. He was 6 at the time.
I write this with love. Read John Robbin's "Diet for a New America," and check out the 1 hour video "Diet for a New America," that was made by John Robbins for PBS. I've seen it over a dozen times and am happy to see it again. check your library or amazon. Robbins' research is 100% solid, backed by solid medical studies. The more dairy consumed,. the higher the rates of breast cancer.
the next person you meet who has breast cancer, ask him or her if she/he consumed a lot of dairy products. I already know the answer.
I wish i had a website of John Robbins to direct you to. Somebody. please do a search of John Robbins and "Diet for a New America." I've heard Robbins speak twice and he's a great speaker. He's not preaching; he's communicating solid information. Robbins said if every American cut his or her meat consumption by 10% there would be enough OK your fill in the answer:
a. end hunger on this planet
b. end the need for oil importation
c. all of the above
d. some of the above
e. other
Relax all you meat eaters, You'll surely end up liking your new vegetarian body. diet affects mood, fearfulness, health, and lifestyle.
Nutritional cuisine.
Basil is a mood elevator. Eat lots of pesto as you transition from former meet eater to alive.
drink lots of pure water.
They say a storm is coming. Right now the weather is still and perfect.
i'm only trying to keep folks informed about the ramifications of their choices.
ok... my kid is away and there i am doing the old motherly stuff.
When my son was young (11) I gave him the same book 3 times because i really wanted him to read it. It's "Don't Drink Your Milk." Powerful book, written 20 years ago, holds true today. except they didn't even know about mad cow then.
They've been feeding body scraps to cows. even though it's illegal it's still done to add poundage. And, adding blood meal is legal, adding slaughtered cow blood to the oats and other body parts that are fed to the the vegetarian (when given the option) cattle getting fattened for slaughter.
Feeding them cardboard boxes also adds weight. You are getting major antibiotics and hormones when you consume chicken and meat.
I used to live on a farm. When the farmer would cut the chicken's head off, it would run around the yard headless for a while, it's blood like a flag waving in the wind.
aloha oi, r n a
Name: r n a
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Date: 26 Dec 2003
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repeat: mad cow diesease can be present and contagious in cows that show no symptoms. all cows need to be tested. then, how clean is the processing? i mean slaughter.. did the knife slice through the spinal cord and then contaminate the muscle?? think about it.
the truth is the health of people and the planet will be improved by eliminating cattle from our diets. itr takes 5200 gallons of water to produce on pound of beef in California. and, 16 lbs of grain for every lb. of meat produced. the huge mountains of manure polute our ground water. the methane from cow farts is destroying the ozone. why is anyone still eating cow muscles??
on another note, body bags are no longer called body bags. the dead soldiers return from Iraq in "transfer tubes." These are body bags with a sanitized name, just as porcessing is polite for slaughter, and meat is polite for bloody muscle.
think i'll go eat some fennel...
love to all
Name: Merrie
EmailAddress: adorable@xtra.co.nz
Date: 26 Dec 2003
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Claude,
I've lost your e-mail address,could you please send it?
Love,
Merrie
Name: Jag
EmailAddress:
Date: 26 Dec 2003
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Just got in from talking to our butcher at Albertson's and have been assured the meat we purchased came from South Dakota and is still on the shelves, not that I'm buying any but I feel a tad less pained.
Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 26 Dec 2003
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un-luck of the draw eh what? Though chances of contracting the ole bovinespongiform are slim at best. Very few people - depending on the severity of the outbreak get the disease. The UK situation was much worse - but this is not to say that this might not get out of hand... Day to day - Test by test - etc and they (the plague people) will be able to make a fair projection of the spread - and it was discovered so close to any distribution and or consumption of the meat. Wishful scientific me but nonetheless best not eat the beefaroo - find a kanga instead..
HAPPIEST OF NEW YEARS EVERYONE - ! - * but we have to wait until November to find out!
Name: Jag
EmailAddress:
Date: 26 Dec 2003
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To make matters worse Hammond, we bought and ate burger from Albertson's the same day the news hit, first time in a long time, go figure
Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 26 Dec 2003
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Jag - UnHoly Cow! - indeed. The Fred Meyer near us did the same. So glad I haven't eaten beef in a few weeks. Chicken, Turkey, Fish, and Pork Tenderloin yes -but I think I will stay off the beef for now eh what? This could get really nasty.... and just as the Oregon beef industry was picking up.... Maybe we should try the Aussie Gov.t's suggestion in todays Hearld - and eat Kangaroo meat this year....
Name: Jag
EmailAddress:
Date: 26 Dec 2003
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What is freaking me out concerning the mad cow situation is the diseased animal has been tracked to a distribution center for all of the grocery stores in my neighborhood!! Interstate Meats is located about two miles from my place! Of all the gin joints in the world...
Every local Safeway, Albertson's, Fred Meyer's etc has pulled hamburger that could be related to the animal in question. What Me Worry!! Damn Straight.
Name: Pieter
EmailAddress: http://www.comshares.info
Date: 26 Dec 2003
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Hello,
I would like to wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Pieter
vt021694@voetbal.nl
ComShares Info
Name: The 3rd Page
EmailAddress:
Date: 26 Dec 2003
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"HAND NOTION"
http://emptymirrorbooks.com/thirdpage/prayerimage.html
Name: r n a
EmailAddress:
Date: 26 Dec 2003
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Aloha friends. it's time for folks to rethink thier food choices. I've been following the mad cow stories int eh NY Times on line. 10% of all slaughtered cows are DOWNERS: this term referring to cattle that are to ill to even stand up. these cows are pushed to slaughter by bulldozers or pulled by chains around their necks. no matter if this breaks their nexks; they are aboutt o be slaughtered anyway. of the DOWNER cows, a small percentage are tested. one case of Mad Cow Disease confirmed.
now for the relaly interesting news: it takes 3 to 4 years for the mad cow diesease to show physical symptoms. in Japan, where ALL cattle is tested at slaughter, they are finding mad cow diesease in younger cattle that have no, zero, zilich symptoms of the disease or any disease.
a winner of the 1997 nobel prize in medicine tried to warn Ann Vennerman of the impending threat of a Mad Cow Disease epidemic and was ignored. congress had also refused to increase cattle testing because it cost too much.
Bon appitite!
Name: Jag
EmailAddress:
Date: 26 Dec 2003
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That was an excellent recounting of the Invisible Circus Eileen, of all of the versions I have read that one put me "there" the most
Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 26 Dec 2003
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Passing News - RIP
BODEGA, Calif., Dec. 25 - Wally Hedrick, an iconoclastic artist and leading member of the Beat generation in San Francisco, died at his home in Sonoma County on Dec. 17. He was 75. The cause was congestive heart failure, his family said. Wally Hedrick was a prolific painter whose works shared gallery space with painters like Jackson Pollock, Bruce Conner, Jay DeFeo and Deborah Remington. He founded the Six Gallery, a major gathering spot for Beat artists and writers in the 1950's. It was there that Allen Ginsberg gave the first reading of his poem "Howl."
Essentially Wally
http://artarchives.si.edu/oralhist/hedric74.htm
Name: Eileen
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Date: 26 Dec 2003
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HI Claude~How's the weather in NM? Thanks for the name. Here's a piece I wrote on Discussions, Nov '02 about my experience that night.
http://www.diggers.org/discuss/_disc/000002f9.htm
Name: claude
EmailAddress:
Date: 26 Dec 2003
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"The Invisible Circus"
http://www.brautigan.net/brautigan/who.html#circus
here's a link to John Barber's Brautigan site and a description of the "memorable event"
Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 26 Dec 2003
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Jag~My relgious upbringing (also staid and stuck) made me search for a religion NOT under a roof. I found it. The left over religions no longer have much but the music to remind me of what their intention was. Don't mean to step on any toes. But it really has become so foreign to me. Bottom line, if one can pray and feel the connect, it doesn't matter where it is or what it's called.
Name: Jag
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Date: 26 Dec 2003
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Eileen, I have heard of the "memorable event" in at least three famous books including Ringlevio, Sleeping Where I Fall, and (I think) Electric Cool Aid Acid Test, it had to have been a hell of a wingding. My Catholic upbringing was far more staid and sterile, It made me look for alternatives to worshiping under a roof but there is something to be said for the shared experience of acknowledging the creator.
Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 25 Dec 2003
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Oh I found a great site!! Ellis Island records! I am currently trying to track the Scot side of my family. Originally I was trying to find our tartan..which has turned into a whole other adventure in itself. My brother is sending the results of what he has been able to glean from the rest of the family on a geneology hunt he's been working on for a few yrs. But he has found next to nothing about what was going on with the Ewings in Scotland. I don't even know if that was our real name. Was it MacEwen, MacEwan..or what? Cause I've read there were originally no names ending in "ing". At least he's got a pretty good list of who we're kin to in this country. Which in the end may help me to loop into some sites of Clan Ewing (which I think is wishful thinking)and see if they can help me track back further. I've begun to find approaching this as a weaver there is much more facinating information to be found. I badly need some good books on Scot and Irish history. Any suggestions? Anyway check out this site for your own family.
http://www.ellisisland.org/search/index.asp
Name: Eileen
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Date: 25 Dec 2003
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There's always Glide Church in the Tenderloin in SF. It was a get down church and I hear it's only gotten better. Now if a person wants to get religion I can't think of a better place. There are beautiful churches to be found everywhere and anywhere. But I think Glide is the place where it's as good as it gets for REAL. They have always had a whole mix of religions represented. More important they are huge in serving the community. This is the church that was given over to the Diggers for the now memorable event, I can no longer remember the name of..ha, but it WAS memorable. Just scan this list of reports to get the flavor:
http://www.glide.org/ourstories/inthenews.asp
Name: McMing
EmailAddress: Ha , ha , & ha
Date: 25 Dec 2003
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Amen, patman .. being a former rehabilitated somewhat functional
ex-Catholic myself, I went to a Christmas service at the Asheville
Basilica of St. Laurence myself about 3 years ago .. & left feeling
cheated, mistreated & basically ripped off.
I can't stand the modern-day RC church.
If I'm really (for some mysterious reason) feeling compelled to go to a religious service, I try to go to an Episcopal church. At least they
usually have some good music, and a sermon I can understand.
Grace Church on Merrimon is a beautiful building, & about the only place I can stand to go.
Peace & Blessings of the season to all of yez out there in cyberland.
Name: Eileen
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Date: 25 Dec 2003
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Great story Patman..one I could well relate to and had a good laugh. Mark thanks for your kindness, gentle soul, and Hammon the appopriate poem as my older daughter prepares to fly to Cancun today. I imagine her patience will be well tested before the to and fro of this journey is complete. I'm telling you this girl is not one to be too pressed..the swiftness of her clever tongue not exceeded by her fathers. Ha! Hope she gets out of the airport. Sun keeps insisting to hold its own today. A good and gentle day.
Name: Xmas CounterPunch
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Date: 25 Dec 2003
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"Another Colorful Season"
http://www.counterpunch.org/guthrie12252003.html
an Op-oetic joint venture from Hammond and Stew
Name: patman
EmailAddress:
Date: 25 Dec 2003
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sponge-- I knew youd be back. Best to ya.
Eileen-- Last night Robin and I decided to join my mother,son,daughter in law,grandaughter and the retired fbi in-laws at the christmas eve 5pm mass. Robin kinda wanted to go because she had never been to a catholic mass and The Basilica here in downtown Asheville is historic and architectualy quite stunning.I figured what the heck I could handle hangin' with the other family members for an hour in church before we headed to my sons to have our little gift giving affair and eat turkey in they're new home.
Man! The mass thing was like doing hard time.Young children squirming and blurting out."When are we going home" and "I don't wanna be here" and other frustratingly bored statements.Robin was already taking sudafed for some serious sinus alergy stuff and all that dank incensce smoking up the place did'nt help either.During the ceromony I would glance all the way down to the other end of the pew where my son Frankie Lee was parked and the pleading looks on our faces for some type of relief from this self imposed hell were hilarious and we would both be stifleing innapropriate laughter until tears were shooting out of our eyes. His wifes mom would look at Robin and I when we would be talking and laughing and Robin stated " Casie keeps giving us dirty looks because we are acting out. She can go fuck herself" Seeing how robin, at my insistance had a few drinks before we left the house this was louder than meant to be and people down the pew looked rather disturbed. I finally planned an escape. I told Robin when everyone got up for communion that we would follow and then slip out the door and wait outside for everyone else. I mentioned this to Casie, The mother in law and she looked at me I was the heathen I am, and gave a rightous HARRUMPH. Then proceeded to pass this down the line to the rest of the family. When I got down to the end to my son he had a sad look on his face figuring he would have to endure the rest of the festivities. When Robin and I left I glanced over my shoulder and there came Frankie, Julie The baby(Who was blessed to sleep through the whole thing) my 79 yr. old mother and the in-laws after getting they're communion grabbing there coats and heading our way. When we got outside my mother said"I could'nt make out a DAMN word that priest was saying" Robin said " So thats what its like I am no longer curious and I will never go to church again" Frankie thanked me for leading the charge. The mother in law said "Its probably best we left early the turkey probably needs basting" Whew!! gads I remember now how trapped I felt as a young fella having to attend mass daily for 8 years in catholic school. Shit by the time I was in 4th grade I was hip and had "Peyton Place in my missal to defocus. The rest of the evening was wonderful. The food waqs great. The family was fun to be with and some of the best laughs I had all night was with the retired fbi in-laws. As we left for home Casdies parting words were "See ya in church" and we both busted a gut.Today I'm sitting here with the dogs. Robin is working a shift at the hospital. Frankie and rest of family went to north Ga. to visit his wifes side of family for Christmas day and I"m Real happy.
Anyway Happy Saturnalia to all. Peace, Patrick
Name: Hammond
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Date: 25 Dec 2003
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Indeed - best of the day everyone....
Thanks for dropping in Sponge - and a merry Boxing Day to you as well
Name: bluefin
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Date: 25 Dec 2003
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happy christmas to all....
thanks for keeping me (somewhat) centered, and the memories.
Name: Mark
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Date: 25 Dec 2003
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Eileen,
I just got back from an extraordinary Christmas celebration (secular) with my family. Please feel comfortable in the rain on the roof and soothe yourself. We are all here together.
Name: Eileen
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Date: 25 Dec 2003
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What are these random fly by remarks with no ID? What an odd thing to have stuck in your head on Christmas eve.It's just you and me and I'm baking and listening to country western Christmas music and feeling a bit far afield. I think I've about had it with Chrismas. I think about what it was like when I was little and what a magical time it was..and then all the yrs I have tried to make it something for my children..so often with so little money it hurt. I really think this has become a holiday to survive and have little fondness for it. There's a huge SUPPOSED TO that comes with it that I am totally burnt out on. I can and do think of friends and family without this kind of pressure. I am not a Christian and become even less of one with every Christmas that goes by. Here comes the rain. I will listen to it and soothe myself.
Name:
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Date: 24 Dec 2003
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Ashcrofts Nightmare
To be incarcerated with a 350 lb gay, black, Jew with a sexual affinity for homophobic, bigoted, right wing conservative fundamentalist Christian's. I hope it comes true.
Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 24 Dec 2003
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I have a tricky easy apple cheesecake receipe when anyone wants it. Mark..how about I move in?! With that kind of cooking I'd be your slave.
Name: Mark
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Date: 24 Dec 2003
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Eileen,
When you come down to Aptos I will transport your culinary spirits with an Etouffe'e that will bring tears and sweet memory to your beautiful self. Meanwhile, I have to spread out the delights at my Mom and Dads, damn turkey came out frickin' perfect. The women in my family can't cook for nothin' but they can bake. You should see the pumpkin, pecan and apple pies. Get the cream whipped! Later, gotta go.
Name: Eileen
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Date: 24 Dec 2003
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Ok OK I'm ready to eat at your house Mark!!
Happy holidays Sponge
Name: Mark
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Date: 24 Dec 2003
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I just mashed about a half acre of russet potatoes in a flood of butter and cream, made about a gallon of roast turkey gravy that will curl your toenails! Arrrrrghhhh....sock it to me! Hey Sponge, merry holiday.
Name: Jag
EmailAddress:
Date: 24 Dec 2003
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Merry Christmas to all and may the New Year be bring great tidings
Name: The 3rd Page
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Date: 24 Dec 2003
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MERRY MERRY EVERYONE & HAPPYEST OF NEW YEARS!!
The 3rd Page
"Click Reflection To Compact Suits"
http://www.emptymirrorbooks.com/thirdpage/...
Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 24 Dec 2003
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I was sent this lovely site - honoring Richard Brautigan
Very sweet of someone....
http://wholeo.net/Trips/Art/MN/UofMbrautigan.htm
Name: Nik
EmailAddress:
Date: 24 Dec 2003
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Myth or not it's still basically the same...altered corn showing up in crops thousands of miles from where the genetic experiment crop was planted...it's very spooky. any way...I'm off now, got to catch the bus up state...enjoy, be safe, eat drink and be merry...love to lyou all.with warm winter regards, NIcole
Name: McMing
EmailAddress: what is food ?
Date: 24 Dec 2003
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It takes a certain level of bourgeois-tude, but the way we buy most of our meat is a half or quarter beef or hog, which is sold frozen, not totally organic but basically pasture-fed, from a local college with a
sustainable-ag program. So it's all frozen, you've gotta operate a big freezer to use this, but the price is right, it supports local & sustainable growers, it's grass-fed not grain-fed, so less fat-laden.
One option you might want to look into.
Name: Dr Sponge
EmailAddress:
Date: 24 Dec 2003
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Merry Christmas to all
Name: Jag
EmailAddress:
Date: 24 Dec 2003
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Bummer, it had such a great aura of authenticity, another urban myth bites the dust.
Name:
EmailAddress: KFC hoax
Date: 24 Dec 2003
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http://www.itd.umich.edu/virusbusters/hoaxes/kfc.html
Name: Mark
EmailAddress:
Date: 24 Dec 2003
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KFC urban legend. I don't eat their junk but the story about the "it can't be called chicken" is false. The name change was a marketing attempt to lose the fat fried chicken image and try to broaden their customer base to more "responsible" fast food junkies. That was in 1991. I don't think it helped them much though. Some KFC places have merged with the A&W Burger and Root Beer chain selling both menus in the same venue. A sign of the times, when JFK was assasinated I was in high school in Campbell, Ca. At lunch time we all cramed into the A&W everyday and on that day we all sat in tears and shock with our french fries and catchup. Today that A&W is still there but the menu includes asian noodle bowls as well.
Name: Jag
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Date: 24 Dec 2003
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Mark your so right about the quality of beef in this world anyway. Unless you spend exhorbitant amounts and only high grade angus or better it is truly a wasted effort to round up a decent steak. I remember my old man barbequing the best steaks I ever ate and haven't tasted since. The hormones and additives in our food chain is beyond belief. Nichole I heard the same line about KFC, it isn't even chicken any more from the inbred farming methods and chemicals they use it is something no self respecting fowl could call their own.
Name: Nicole
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Date: 24 Dec 2003
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Eileen, remember how great the organic charolais beef tasted at Turkey Ridge? I think the bulls name was Meanie...the difference was amazing...the other cattle got fed feed that said,"discontinue use 10 days before slaughter" because of the hormones and anti biotics...and btw you know why they call Kentucky Fried Chicken KFC now? Because it has been so altered that they CAN'T call it CHICKEN anymore...pretty scarey...I've been on Atkins for a few weeks...but I shop at the organic market...I couldn't eat anything if I didn't...it's expensive tho which makes no sense...We're having leg of lamb for Christmas dinner...this evenings activity is all outside...on the village green in Woodstock, traditional gathering of about 1000 people with shops serving punch and caroling and santa showing up and presents for all the kids...but it's pouring rain!!!
Name: Mark
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Sorry, I didn't finish and hit the post key by mistake. To go on, I would love to see the beef industry hit the bottom rung. It would push the culture toward slow foods and take a major contributor to the ruin of our environment and our health out of play. As Bush said, good riddance.
Name: Mark
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Eileen,
You make me laugh out loud. I am a cook, learned from an Austrian Nazi who was truly an old school make-it-from scratch everything. For those limited few around the San Lorenzo Valley in the 60's his name was Albert Schmitt and he ran Brookdale Lodge. I learned an emmense amount about culinary trade from him. The short story is that I can make a vegan sweat with my treatment of Tournedos Rossini, Veal Picatta, or Blackened Filet with roasted red potato and rosemary. But....as much as I love beef you really can't get it anymore. It is adulterated with hormones, antibiotics and who knows what else. I cook it at home on occasion but less and less now. The price and the quality suck.
Name: Eileen
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Oh yes, me as well. In fact as I'm fasting into my gruesome liver cleanse, I am already mentally preparing my break-fast menue for tomorrow noon. You better believe (organic fed) red meat is part of that. But there is also great luxury in a vegitarian diet. Consider for instance the Japanese or food of India, just right off the top. And I'm still big on fish. Chicken is starting to interest me less. But our food habits sometimes need to be revampted under closer investigation darn it. Otherwize I would quite happily live on bloody meat and potatoes and deserts. Remember I DO come from the south..land of a lot of fat white people that say y'all a lot and don't consider it a meal without at least hamhocks in something.
Name:
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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I come from a long line of carnivore's
Name: Eileen
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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time to whip out the ole vegitarian cookbooks
Name: Jag
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Mad Cow Disease found in Yakima, WA in a meat processing plant! First U.S. case ever! I had burger today, Japan has suspended all beef imports from USA, what a freaking nightmare, our food supply is so freaking tainted, from mercury in the fish to this. What is next! The ocean is a cesspool and now the cattle are toxic
Name: Mark
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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On the hep C deal, I have finally decided to get tested. I don't see how I could have escaped as everyone I know who is still alive from that time has it. I was not very "responsible" about cleaning the works and was exposed to hep quite a few times but never came down with it. Maybe I am okay but I am going check anyway. After Christmas I will hit a doc-in-the-box for the test before alerting my medical insurance program.
Name: patman
EmailAddress: homeisgood
Date: 23 Dec 2003
Comments
Just returned from my work run to Georgia.
Ohio girl-- Wow your treatment is reaching completion. Did'nt seem that long. Easy for me to say.I bet you held that bad boy c underwater long enough this time to erase his ass.
Mcming--Probably a good Xmas present to yourself.
I,m really kinda tired right now so I will refrain from throwing in my 2 cents on hells angels, Outlaws(Detroit stay), Satans angels (Vancouver b.c. Mid 70,s before they became hells angels,etc.
If I don't get back in the next couple days Merry Happy.
Love to all. Peace, Patrick
Name: Eileen
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Mark~You would have to work real hard to offend. All opinions here part of the stew that keeps it good. Anyway just came back from the Last Samauri so it all looks good right now. Everyone needs a biker in their life. Ha! I really enjoyed that movie and will have to get the DVD. Doing a liver cleanse today so all your cooking is making me wish I was there! Have a good one.
Thanks for the note Nicole. I would have never guessed. Have a great visit.
Name: Mark
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Hey all, check out Lenny's pardon.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=638&ncid=762&e=1&u=/nm/20031223/en_nm/people_bruce_dc
Name: Mark
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Well, I guess I will back out of the HA thread hoping I didn't offend too many. I think ya'll get my drift though.
I am busy for the Holiday season helping my elderly parents cook for the annual Christmas Eve family dinner and then doing it all over again at my house for my wife's side of the family on Christmas Day. So I would like to offer Holiday Greetings and thank all who come here for their amazing stories, opinions, caring and free spirits. The last year or so has been a great time here learning and laughing. I am looking forward to spending another year here with all of you.
Name: Nik
EmailAddress:
Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Eileen, it's not the silent one...and the one it is JUST CALLED ME!!! We'll hook up next week...life is good. He also recently met with Claude. that's a hint...as not to defeat his purpose for his hidden identity.
Name: Jag
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Thanks!
Name: Nik
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Jag here you go...1)Picture of You 2)Falling 3)Hold Me Tight 4)Ch Ch Cherie 5)See You On The Other Side
Name: Eileen
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Hello there in Nic's neighborhood! Is that the one we wait to hear from and miss very much?
Name: Nik
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Did we meet at the whitehorse last time you were in town? I'm leaving for woodstock straight from work so I can make the activities on the Village Green...maybe next week? I'll be in the office till 3 tomorrow and then back on Monday...
Name: Jag
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Nichole I have a copy of your CD for your Sis but when I made all of the copies I sent you I sent the playlist with it, and I have lost my copy of the list, if you can e-me with it I will include it with her Disk, if not I can send as is, thanks
Name:
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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hey everybody, you know who this is, i'm not going to sign it, cause i'm away right now, in nik's neighborhood for the holidays, and don't want the spammers to get any ideas while i'm gone...
Name:
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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hey everybody, you know who this is, i'm not going to sign it, cause i'm away right now, in nik's neighborhood for the holidays, and don't want the spammers to get any ideas while i'm gone...
Name: Nik
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Great story Eileen.
Name: Eileen
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Nicole, I only got to ride in the pack once and if I had been a guy, I would have become a biker just to do that on a regular basis. What a rush! But I'm such a sucker for big group guy things..an ofcourse uniforms. Military marches with the weapons clacking and all make me goose bumps gasping crazy. When I was 19 I got to be within touching distance of the Black Watch changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace..bagpipes that made my hair stand on end, huge drums that vibrated my whole body, kilts, the black hats, the works. I couldn't help myself and ran with them as far as I could while they marched because I was so swept up I couldn't stand to just let them pass me. You know I want that kind of stuff to just go on and on. There's nothing to top that kind of group male energy at it's most beautiful.
Don't you think it is interesting how instinctual that group thing is..good or bad? I wonder what animals that makes us most kin to? Maybe at best, horses? It has such huge potiential.
Name: Nicole
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Just one more little ANGEL story...In 1974, I went on the forth of July run with the angels to Lake Mendocino. Sienna and I both...she rode with William on his 3 wheeler and I rode with Sculptor Ray...she and I were both kicking a little I believe...towards the afternoon I went swimming and when I got out of the lake some prospect had taken the van that held my cloths to town...so they punished him by making him carry a huge log around the parimeter of the camp site...I felt bad about that actually...there were about 300 of us there...and they placed sentries around so that some unsuspecting "civilian" teenage girl couldn't wander into our area...for the most part it was much like any corporate picnic...families enjoying them selves, watersking and such...and the ride up there from SF with all those bikes was exhilerating!
Name: Eileen
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Good to hear from you Ohio Girl!
I must share this. While looking for info on wool came across this. While tragic the response, it gave me a warmed the cockles of my heart and gave me a smile:
http://www.nature.com/nsu/020121/020121-3.html
Jan/02 Conservation workers moved fast to save the birds from starvation, hypothermia and oil poisoning. To protect and rehabilitate the tiny penguins after they'd been caught and washed, researchers hit upon a plan to harness the efficient insulating properties of wool, and tap into the enthusiasm of the local community.
They published a plea and a knitting pattern for penguin jumpers in the Aged Pension News, a free newspaper circulated to elderly Australians.
Name: Eileen
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Oh gracious yes, thank you for that Nicole~ There were some exceptional men and exceptional times. And as I said also..we would be mush without the hard times. I'm glad we did it all but don't send my daughters out there! Needless to say they are finding there own.
Mugu is that really you? I was just thinking of you yesterday. Thanks ofr the clear air.
Name: Hammond
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Nic - Indeed Angles you mention and others such as Tramp, Zorro and Chocolate George e.g. - enlightened in their own fashion, gut busting funny and of course very dangerous if you lie, mistreat one of their brothers or god forbid - insult a motorcycle in the moment or get too high and high falutin with them. Carrying your own sand as Coyote might add is the key to survival here - along with keeping your whole cards safe...
Name: Nicole
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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...just feel the need to add...Freewheelin' Frank, Pete Knell were exceptional human beings and of course Sweet William still is.
Name: Hammond
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Eileen - next time you find yourself heading to the hard place just visualize yourself drinking a pint of Nicotine Stout. This should put you on hold long enough to call Miranda...
Name: Hammond
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Date: 23 Dec 2003
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Best of the holiday season everyone. Cheers to you all - and thanks for making my day - on so many days.
Eileen - the hard place is such a bear. Thanks to Miranda for pulling you from the firing range.
Blessings one and all.....
Name: Ohio girl
EmailAddress: greetings of the season
Date: 23 Dec 2003
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To everyone who is a part of this guestbook, I wish I could be looking into your eyes and giving you a great big hug. I hope you enjoy the holidays. Ours seem to be fairly peaceful and simple with less baggage as the years go by. The shopping was centered around our granddaughter and great-niece and great-nephew, not so crazy as years past. What I look forward to most is seeing my younger son, who will be in town with his girl for us to meet..... My older son and daughter-in-law and the baby won't be here, they can't afford the trip. By after a year and a half of struggling with low-paying jobs and freelance, my older son has the right job now, as of last Monday. I'm thankful for that. Only 14 weeks to go on this hepatitis C treatment and I'm thankful for that, too, except then comes the scary part, waiting to see if I got the permanent cure. But there's still just (barely) enough hair to cover my head at the Christmas family dinner and my vanity is very thankful for that too! Take care, peace.
Name: Eileen
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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good call Nicole..and there's more where that (earth quake) came from. Did anyone mention yet, there's a nuke plant at the epicenter? Well there is. yawn ah yes, that's always where we place nuke plants and do sonar testing ie blasting for oil. makes sense to fuss with the seams of the earth as if we can get away with it. silly boys still sitting at the wrong end of the branch and sawing taking us all with them. And where was everyone when they put that sucker in. The earth clock ticks.
Hells Angles..yes it would have made sense, if we had been sane. enough said.
drinking and smoking go together quite nicely..and coffee. quit one at a time, but be quick about it because they will call each other. Miranda saved me 2 days ago and pretty much threw me down and gave me a massage as I was almost out the door for a smoke. We had made a deal before I started this she would stop me if she could. I asked her to cause I knew I would loose it at some point. It really snuck up on me into a 2 day emotional down turn..hard core grind before she had to help. So what I'm saying is make a game plan and backup before you try to cut into this stuff. Even you guys talked me through a few days. thank you thank you thank you.
Let's see. Miranda came back from the peyote meeting having sat cedar (a big responsibility I would not have wanted) and seems to have received a pretty major healing as well. I'm watching and waiting.
Forgiveness. Yes Jenn you are right about the judgement part..but we're humans and we make judgments. One of those things we have to constantly clean up or suffer the consequences. There is no timeline for enlightment. Don't make the mistake of assuming yours is common to all..and don't assume you won't visit those issues again. Having been there and done that I offer that bit.
Hammond~Lost in the wrong part of town in the night..ha oh I remember doing that in SF around this time a few yrs ago. Won't do that again. So glad you got to hear all the funny old songs and sounds like they have stayed timely. Lucky you. I know you had to have thought of me you lucky duck.
Tonight I eat too many homemade cookies, drink hot milk, listen to beautiful Celtic seasonal music. A peaceful lovely evening with my dogs asleep at my feet. Saying hello to all my friends here, wishing we could share a day together here at my house. Now to go look at colored yards like a box of treasures and dream up a blanket and a rug come Feb. Everyday is better than the next.
Name: Jag
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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Happy to oblige Ming, Jenn check your e-mail, oops on the post below
Name: ag
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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Name: McMing
EmailAddress: coming out of the Fog
Date: 22 Dec 2003
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I've done a whole lotta things I'm not so proud of now.
But I hear the sixties talkin' loud in my ear. Enough bullshit.
The Airplane did this for me .. in particular, no doubt Jag, thanks for your faith & the tunes you sent to me.
I'm saying in public, I'm quitting the booze in the New Year.
It makes me stupid, & I'm not so bright enough already.
Then, [maybe] quit the cigarettz.
Peace & love, y'all.
Together, we can change the world.
That's what I want to try, try something new.
Blessings happiness & all good things, brothers & sisters.
Name: jenn
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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Jag
That would be so great, and I do thank you soooo much in advance. Chat it up with Hammond, he has my address and all. Let me know the costs and I will be happy to re-imberse you.
Nicole...thanks for the jerimiah connection...and no, the earthquake didn't hit here, but yes Glory to the Gia!
H..flyin high hehe
Name: Mark
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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Hammond,
I think some discussion about those connections could be a good thing but the subject doesn't come up much. The Angels were always around in the 60's and I think gave a good sharp edge to the over all image of the counterculture. An exploration of the meanings of the relationships could bust up some stereotypes.
As for the business of forgiving Bush if he was my father...I would forgive his sentence to death for crimes against humanity and the planet, then change his sentence to life without the possibility of parole. His roomies for the duration would be Saddam and Noriega. Oh yeah....I wan't Ashcroft in there too.
Name: Jag
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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I have Nichole's CD and the Roadhouse tapes Hammond all I need is an address.
Name: PS - HA
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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A recent quip from Mouldy Marvin HAMC Oakland when asked by a journalist: "What's the difference between 2003 and the 60s" - Marvin replied: "The sentences are longer."
Name: Hammond
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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Jag - If you don't have a copy of the cds for Jenn you can always copy mine.
Mark - You will probably unlease a new wave of posts regarding the HA connection - yes, sure the cowboy / indian hang with the badest of boys mano a mano was there - but then so was the necessity to keep the peace - stability in community - and then there was speed - iron under your feet and freedom blowing in your hair without a helmet - on a run and a rush.... There are really (I think) many factors and connections that played both ways when it comes to HA relationships with other groups - tribes - and most certainly riders and prospects. The Kesey connection comes into focus - and LSD played a really big part... Angels for the most part loved acid..... I could go on - but I won't - Next? - Then again, in the right set and settting .....when in Rome - find a gladiator to befriend...
Name: Mark
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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I didn't feel anything from the earthquake down the coast. San Simieon is about 175 miles or so and I would expect to experience something but nuttin'.
I never completely understood the HA thing with the Diggers. I tend to think most of it was playing "cowboys and indians" sucking up to some danger for the thrill of it. Goes against my way of thinking. Building an underground alliance with those were willing to fight back when the government started shooting at it's wayward citizens has its logic but in retrospect I think it was the speed. Meth will bring out the worst in anyone eventually.
Name: Jag
EmailAddress: One last thought on the politics of Macho
Date: 22 Dec 2003
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Sorry for the gloomy post but I had pretty much put it out of my thoughts and felt compelled to purge. Violence for the sake of Macho bullshit was and is pretty common. As Nichole said ala "Original Gangsta"
Violence was not confined to the Diggers and the Angel's, one of my acquaintances Gary Rusell, took a "job" retrieving some money for a lady who had been ripped off in a dope deal. He went to the culprits pad with two of our friends, Stewart and Sterling, and a loaded twelve gauge. The perpetrator wasn't home but his eighteen year old son answered the door and in his youthful folly decided to argue and berate Gary, in the course of the shouting match the son grabbed the barrel of the shotgun and pulled, Gary's finger was on the trigger and the shotgun fired, effectively ending the life of an innocent party. I wish it ended there but Gary and friends dropped the shotgun and ran and a manhunt ensued. About a week later Gary had made arrangements to turn himself in and was hiding in an apartment nearby. Somehow the police got the address and the swat team stormed the place. They knocked once and then proceeded to break down the door, then another tragedy occurred, Gary's girlfriend "Peach's" was attempting to go the door and open it to forestall the invasion when the police poured through, she was the only one moving, they shot and killed her instantly. Gary, Stacy, and Sterling went to Folsom for first degree manslaughter, two innocent lives were lost, and nothing was accomplished save death and mayhem. This all happened circa 1974-75 and fortunately I was in Oregon during the entire sordid affair but it hit me hard, I had grown up with all the involved parties save Peach's who I had met and grown to love about two years prior to her death.
Postscript: Gary did his time and came out of the joint a racist Aryan Brotherhood type (he couldn't handle the place on his own) who spent the next few years as a broken dope fiend alcoholic until he died of a massive heart attack in some bar in Southern Calif around 1983. The last time I ever saw him was the summer of 81 when he spent the night at my studio apt and we shared a meager meal of burger’s and beer. He showed me his jailhouse “tat’s” swastika’s and all while I tried to talk tolerance and equality which he would have none of. He was bitter, angry, and empty. What a waste!
Name: Nicole
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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Found this surfing around and thought it interesting...
http://www.alternativeapproaches.com/altapr/aadiggers.html
Name: Jag
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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By the way Jenn, do you want a copy of the road crew tape as well?
Name: Jag
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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Jenn, I believe I have a copy around here and would be happy to oblige
Name: Nik
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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ANy of you just feel the Earthquake in California...see, I knew the mother'd be kickin up something sooner or later...
Glad to hear from you Jenn...wondered,worried some.
Name: Jenn
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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Nicole, Hammond, Eileen, Mark....Hellow my friends and loved ones
wow, long time since i've been here...lots of very thought provoking comments...
forgiveness takes transendence we must accept and go beyond forgiveness...
forgiveness has a judgemental taste for me. It is an honorable thing, but to forgive, we must judge the others as doing something or not TO us that requires we forgive them. Even though we may disagree, everyone is doing the best they know how...they may indeed be greed filled hate mongers, but gawd, imagine being stuck inside their heads and hearts...whoa. Accepting that "they" are a part of the one is difficult...because of their blindness. I know that I have definately caused many people to cry. I can also justify all my anger if I need to, but simple fact is, I was not knowing better at the time. Souls do surely age at different levels. My husband thinks we are a virous on the earth. Mother Earth News has a 3 part article on the very subject starting with the current post. check it out.
I have ley lines going all over my land and some under my bathtub! It makes for very interesting baths I must say...recently I was thinking about the current shape of the world, and life itself and mine in particular, and I had a very amusing thought...you know Eileen you said that most of us are working our butts off to overcome our childhoods...well, I think that at mid life we are given the choice to proceed in life in full essence and face those emotional, physical experiences, or we can become false ego driven. Blame is always about self denial. Hard to take, but I find true. Each opportunity to see the wounds in my soul reflected from the deeds and actions of others gives me a chance to breathe, center and own my part in choosing the experience. This is sometimes seen as weakness or copping out but I truly believe we are from mid life able to face, process and "undo" what we could not as children. I used many out of body escapes, lies....etc to cope. Now I look back and know I had contracted with myself to be strong. My SPIRIT is so much stronger than my will, or I would not be alive today. Our Spirits have so much loving knowledge and push us ahead.
HAPPY SOLSTICE to you all, a time of going into the wisdom of our bodies and that of the ancestors before us (us). Be aware of our health actions and words.
Namaste from the wooly woods of No CA.
P.S. JAG...Hammond says maybe, if I ask nicely, you would burn me Nicole's C.D.s???Please, please? I know we haven't met. but I would so much appreciate it! Thanks if you can,Jenn Hammond can you email him my address? thanks love..best to Margaret.
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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The Holy Modal Rounders - Whole Magilla
http://www.redhotjazz.com/hmr/index.html
Name: Hammond
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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Nic - you are such a sweetheart..... what a great compliment.
Name: Nik
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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Ps...Hammond I bought copies of yr book and the Divinci Code for Holiday gifts...
Name: Nicole
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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You have the greatest conversations when I'm not here...so my comments are a bit out of time...however, that danger angel connection...Eileen you are spot on with your observations...when I was first pregnant with Jeramiah...I had dinner with some friends...while I was there Gordon Westerfield who'd been a friend of Emmmetts and Sweet William both came round...he was prospecting for the Angels...he and my friends husband went out for a bit and when they came back, I knew they had just killed someone...bits of conversation and the thickness of the air...it was almost as though the rest of the evening was in slow motion...exactly a year later I was out with Gordon and little Mike...we went to finela steam baths on 15 and market...we dropped Mike off and then I dropped off Gordon at his apartment in North Beach...he put his key in the door and someone blew his head off...I had almost gone inside to say hi to his wife...that was a huge wake up for me that none of that stuff
was play and it could turn ugly and very real very fast...I think the "gansta rap" crew is at about the same mentality level...very scarey.
...and yr comments about the difference between 20's and now...I walk deliberately yet carefully...looking inside and out at every step. Feeling my way...Finding my way still.
About forgiveness...THAT comes extremely easy for me...I am a huge forgiver and I believe that's one of the biggest reasons my life is finally going so well...it helps put shit behind you.
and again, I think things NEED to get stirred up a bit more before any kind of change occurs and I think the Mother will have a hand in it...some great natural catastrophy...I can only imagine...the infection of man "unkind" has gotten out of control...
Name: Hammond
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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The Holy Modal Rounder Report.... Excellent venue seating around 200 or so...Set List included: "Euphoria" "Coo-Coo" "Take a Wiff on Me/STP" "Golden Slippers" "Rounders Fight Song" "Bush Can Kiss My Ass" "Hot Corn, Cold Corn" "Deep in the Heart of Texas - Speed Version" "Radar Blues" "In Dreams" "Wild Thing" "Goldfinger (theme) and the strangest ever version of LIttle Richard's "You Keep a Knockin"
A great evening - that ended poorly when I decided to walk home instead of taking the bus.... This led me into a midnight factory area without end along the river with no exit . So I called a cab and got home around 2am
Name: aron pieman kay
EmailAddress: pieman@pieman.org
Date: 22 Dec 2003
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hello again!!!!
happy xmas, hanuka and new years to my comrades out there in hippie cyberspace......anyway i am still fighting my health problems trying to pull it together for the protests at the republikkkan convention in nyc....its nippy here in nyc but i have partied some with good ganja....
however it can get lonesome this time of year!!! another time!! another place!!! i would be doing the green power trip-helping focalize the griffith park love-ins or tripping at the laguna beach 1970 christmas gathering...
anyway i love you all!!!
aron pieman kay
http://www.pieman.org
pieman@pieman.org
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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If Bush were your father - would you forgive him?
Name: Joe
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Date: 22 Dec 2003
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Lets see....hmmm Thomas Kean the chairman of the 9/11 Commission states that 9/11 was preventable and that some people werent doing their jobs and a few days later the threat level goes up to orange....could this be a diversion.....nah how could it be
Name: Eileen
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Date: 21 Dec 2003
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Ha ha Mark, that's the key. We get to practice on ourselves and the rest can begin to fall in place. We would be mush without the hard stuff. It is what we overcome that makes us shine..being pissed is not the polish thoiugh. We've all got dads and they all ere human and messed up, darn it. Some down right scary. No cheating now. None of that, well at least I was better than my____. Who says? We all came here to work our butts off it seems and it is really impressive how much of that has to do with overcoming our childhoods. Otherwise we drag them around with us for the rest of our lives being pissed, cheated and hurt. It was our choice too. it's kk-karma. You didn't really think you were coming here to play did you? It's just a test. Only a test. Anywho, See the movie. Really just a good story. Didn't mean to stir up trouble. I thought it was a good vaccine. No glasses here. Hope I got this readable.
And..happy solstice all.
Name: Mark
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Date: 21 Dec 2003
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Forgiving myself is the hardest for me. Forgiveness and forgeting of others including my father comes easier.
Name: Jag
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Date: 21 Dec 2003
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That is a tough lesson to grasp, I still grapple with it.
Name: Eileen
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Date: 21 Dec 2003
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Mmmm~Forgiveness like that is kind of like holding out one hand and keeping the other behind ones back.
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Date: 21 Dec 2003
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Some times even if we forgive our fathers we still blame them
Name: Eileen
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Date: 21 Dec 2003
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At the end of the movie there is goose bump singing and drumming that is worth sitting thru the credits for. It begins in the last of the movie as this poem voiced over and gets me every time. I hope I got it perfect.
"Forgiving Our Fathers" by Dick Lourie
How do we forgive our fathers?
Maybe in a dream
Do we forgive our fathers
for leaving us too often
or forever
when we were little
Maybe for scaring us
with unexpected rage
or making us nervous
because there never seemed to be
any rage at all
Do we forgive our fathers
for marrying our mother
or not marrying our mothers
For divorcing
or not divorcing our mothers
And shall we forgive them their excesses
of warmth
or coldness
Shall we forgive them for pushing
or leaning
for shutting doors
or for speaking through walls
or never speaking
or never being silent?
Do we forgive our fathers in our age
or in theirs
Or in their deaths
Saying it
or not saying it
If we forgive our fathers
What is left?
Name: Jag
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Date: 21 Dec 2003
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Smo
