The Digger Archives Guestbook 2003

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NOTE: this file contains the entries from May, 2003. The regular Guestbook contains entries later in 2003.

Name: McMingus
EmailAddress: Peace : All
Date: 31 May 2003

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Sommer is i'commen in -- loud sing cuckkoo

All the festivals .. all the celebrations

Th' hell w/ Death, we're still alive

Peace & happiness to all you peaceful people

.. I'm celebrating with my kids & step-kids tonight

May the Circle be Unbroken

-- from the Appalachians, in memory of June Carter Cash

Name: H
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 May 2003

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Tomas - I think we are lucky in this regard - in a way it was the end of the 'real' Los Angeles whose boundries were easily measured and defined. We got to experience the end of a somewhat golden era as they (who ever "they" are & who are they anyway?) say. My grandmother was in a pretty unique position - working for the LA times and running around with the stars of the day via the fashion world. Don Loper was the big wig at the time as was a guy named Rex who made hats for notables like Lana Turner and Hedda Hopper. Trippy sfuff coming off the farm as I did - She whould always take me to I. Magnin's first day out to get me lookin' like a City Boy on the town. Of course my friends back in Dimba couldn't get the gist of it all (or me at times) - way too alien and out of town.

Nonetheless - I would get to go down to visit here 3 or 4 times a year and it was great fun. I mean who remembers what LIttle Tokyo looked like and why?

Name: Orion
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Date: 31 May 2003

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Just came across the following passage in a letter from Thomas Jefferson to William Henry Harrison (1803), proposing Jefferson's strategy for getting the Ohio Native Americans to sell their land to the government (who in turn would sell it to the speculators). This succinctly shows the sham of any claim to legitimacy this country makes. We stole it all, live off the fruits of our thefts, and continue to find new "markets to exploit". Capitalism is one big "Pyramid Scheme."

[Thomas Jefferson to William Henry Harrison, 1803, quoted in "God Gave Us This Country" by Bil Gilbert, p. 200:]

"We wish to draw them to agriculture, to spinning and weaving. ... When they withdraw themselves to the culture of a small piece of land, they will perceive how useless to them are their extensive forests, and will be willing to pare them off from time to time in exchange for necessaries for their farms and families. To promote this disposition to exchange lands which they have to spare and we want for necessaries ... we shall push our trading houses, and be glad to see the good and influential individuals among them run in debt, because we observe that when these debts get beyond what the individuals can pay, they become willing to lop them off by a cession of lands."

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"To promote this disposition ... we shall push our trading houses". Thus is the philosophy of all Pushers. Get 'em to buy your Stuff, and they're hooked for life.

Name: Jag
EmailAddress: Oops
Date: 31 May 2003

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"Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them an Honest Look at the Right" is the correct title.

Name: Jag
EmailAddress: And Dawgonit People Like Him
Date: 31 May 2003

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Just watched one of the most refreshing political pundits around Al Franken on CNN book channel, I missed the main show though, I guess Bill O'Riley and Al had a confrontation and O'Riley, true to form, verbally bullied Franken whose Harvard educated wit was too much for a mental midget like O'Riley and he resorted to cheap and loud diatrabes rather than have a meaningful dialog, hope they re-run it cause it sounded like a great exchange that highlighted O'Riley's miniscule grasp of the issues he so loudly expounds on. "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot" is a classic and I guess Al has a new one due in October titled "Liars and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them an Honest Look at the Right" I'm sure it will be great.

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 May 2003

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Eric~I really enjoyed reading Pams rememberances. Thanks. Amazing how little fear we had in those days to do anything we could imagine and follow our dreams without question.

Name: Tomas
EmailAddress: tomas@laurelrose.com
Date: 31 May 2003

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Hammond you and I have the same memory of LA in the fifties. My grandmother took me to all those places on the train from Pasadena to LA. Where we would stop at Olivera St. and visit relatives. Pam Hanna Read lives in New Mexico. I'LL send her a email and hopefully she'll get in touch. She said she always had a pot of beans out for family.

Name: Jag
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Date: 31 May 2003

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Eileen, yes people tend to congregate where familiarity is a comfort factor but this country's immigrant heritage has made roots a matter of personal choice and many of us still maintain that wanderlust that I feel brings cohesion to the spirit by broadning our perspective of alien culture's and customs. Xenophobia breeds when people stay rooted and unawares of the world outside of their own little sphere and the likes of Bush et al can ignite that fear of foreign influence's to advance their own personal agenda by attacking such "alien" cultures as France and Germany even though millions of Americans can trace their heritage to those shores.

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress: writenow@spiritone.com
Date: 31 May 2003

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ReCounterPunched

"Theater(s) of Operation"

http://www.counterpunch.org/poems05312003.html

Name: Welcome Home
EmailAddress: Rainbowscouts@angelfire.com
Date: 31 May 2003

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Howdy Folks!

The 2003 Ozark Rainbow Family Spring Regional will be held in central Missouri at Fiery Forks along the Little Niangua River near Climax Springs

Directions: North of Camdenton Missouri on 5 Hwy then 10 miles west on 7 hwy. Second left past Barnumtom Mo. - Look for sign to "Fiery Forks" - 2 miles down Gravel Road 7-17. This beautiful 1,606 acre area includes stretches of Little Niangua River, Fiery Forks Creek and Toby Creek, lots of room for kind camping and family fun. This is an open family event and we encourage you to spread the word in every direction via all kind means. "Welcome Home!"

*Site is located between I-70 & I-44 so stop in and visit if your traveling!

This area is reasonably flat with lots of sweet shade, loving meadows and has a large clear spring with easy walking access to the creeks and rivers. Site is very large and people friendly with some shallow wading pools, trees to play under, hiking trails and lots of downed oak and hickory for camp fires. We encourage you to bring water containers & filters, tarps, cooking equipment, C.A.L.M supplies, and tools to help make this a truly wonderful experience for the family to enjoy.

Busses welcomed - No steep grades, solid hard packed gravel for 3 miles, no overhangs, lots of parking in many areas.

Info:

http://welcomehere.org/ozarks/index.html

Name: Eric
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 May 2003

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Eileen (and everyone)

Just realized that the link I gave to Pam Hanna's Morningstar Chronicles was to Part I (California). Here is Part II, which is the New Mexico story:

http://www.diggers.org/most/mstar_chron2.htm

I'm not sure that the email address for Pam is still good. Pam -- if you're lurking, let me know and I can update your address on those pages.

Name: Eric
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 May 2003

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Eileen,

Pam Hanna, I presume, is the Pam that Tomas mentioned:

http://www.diggers.org/most/mstar_chron1.htm

Name: The 3rd Page
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 May 2003

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Or - ReRoll The Axis Dice Instead!

http://www.emptymirrorbooks.com/thirdpage/axisroll.html

Name: The 3rd Page
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 May 2003

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Aside Door Revisited

(-: serial image click through :-)

http://www.emptymirrorbooks.com/thirdpage/akaba.html

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 May 2003

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Eileen, Charlie called me here at the office yesterday and said he hadn't heard from you...I had left my number on his machine...it was great talking with him...I had meant to hook you up with Bob Seidemen but he and Belinda were out of town...it was very nice talking to Miranda too.

there is no where to rest yr eyes from urban sprawl in L.A. it too much of everything...

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 May 2003

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Yes Hammond and I also think there are lots of people still there because the change was slow enough maybe they didn't notice it and just adjusted. I know (one of) my X mother in law could not imagine any place beyond LA having anything going on..like the world ended at the edge of LA.

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 May 2003

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Tomas - What song? I must have missed the question!

I think people live in LA because they are so far into debt they can't leave - and the place is so crowed that there isn't any room to leave. Other than $ and more $ why would anyone do this to themselves - living there I mean. (nevernever mind).

When I was a kid in the mid-50s I really loved going to LA to visit my grandmother - Olivera Street - Angel's Flight - The Farmer's Market and (e.g.) Hollywood treats like shopping in IMagins near McArther Park along with eating at the orig. Brown Derby when it was just a funny little derby of a building across the street from the Coconut Grove in the Ambassador Hotel - and rowing around and about in the Echo Park Lake - and wandering in Griffith Park was so wonderful as a 7 year old farm boy from the sticks.....Ah memories of LA where the smog was absent and palm trees dotted the sky-blue everywhere - and the "only" freeway in town went to Pasadena.

Best of the moment to all.....

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 May 2003

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Joe..Ah yes. The dust storms. Well you don't have to get in the middle of them and unless you live out on the mesa. (I still haven't gone to see Joanie and Bryden out there and can only guess it's not been fun this month.) I have seen dust tunnels out there like serious mini tornados. In Questa we are pretty much out of the dust and I expect anywhere south of TAos the same could be said. But I have lung trouble and even going through the worst of it have not noticed any problem. In other words there are plently of places to be in Northern New Mex that have some of the cleanest air imaginable.

Who's Pam, Tomas?

Umm thanks for the thought JAG..I think you must be right about the place folks choose to live being hereditary. Yes I understand now. This has bothered me for yrs and I don't know why it didn't occure to me. I grew up in Louisiana (21 yrs) and noticed when I left (yes it was shocking to my family) very few people leave the South. That's how that culture remains so locked in..in fact there is NO "culture" without generations in one place. I think there is much to say about that idea, considering how many people move around looking for home (as well as work). Never the less, that may still take place within the same location. I think a study in this would be facinating and have a lot to say about the temperment of this country.

And like this idea of folks not questioning the place they live and possible truely better alternatives, could be applied to how Bush can get away with all he does. Folks get on a known direction and are hard put to change it. I stay amazed, truely amazed what bald faced lies this gov't can get away with, especially if it's in print. Duh..it's in print, it must be true..or the President said it, it must be true. There are too many inbreeds in the country.

Name: patrick
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 May 2003

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My computer has been in hospital since last wednesday. Am checking in from asheville library. Wow! Arthur Lee and Love.Andmoreagain. One of my better trips after a horrible freakout the same night centered around sanctuary in a campus apartment experiencing the "FOrever Changes " album.

Nicole I'm driving myself mad trying to remember who did that song. I guess I'll be even more frustrated when someone posts the answer. At least then I can slap my forehead and utter "Damn I Knew That!!! Patrick

Is love playing back east anywhere.

Name: Joe
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 May 2003

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Hey X lady ...the wandering damsel has returned....I am looking into New Mexico too for repiratory reasons....I hear some conflicting things about that...dust storms....its amazing how Bush is just let off the hook here....no weapons of mass destruction....uh well we just said that to create a rallying point to depose a tinhorn dictator who thumbed his nose at me and my father....you have to wonder if sometime in the near future this doesnt sink in and there is a backlash against him here.....maybe I still havent learned

Name: Tomas
EmailAddress: tomas@laurelrose.com
Date: 31 May 2003

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I grew up in Alhambra-San Gabriel-Pasadena. When I was told to join the service or get kicked out of school I had no clue that I was sick. It took moving to San Diego away from the smog to the military to tell me that I had a severe case of bronchitus. They told me I was sick and I said, "I was not". I was. I was later stationed in Hawaii and out in Pacific where they "blew up the island" right before my eyes in the early sixties. When I was discharged from the service I moved back home to LA but the smog was so bad that I could not live there without coughing. I moved to San Francisco. I went back to LA last year to visit drove through Long Beach and said, "this is the pits I'm out of here"

Pam lives in Thoreau NM on highway 40.

Name: Jag
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 May 2003

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I meant "decidedly"

Name: Jag
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Date: 31 May 2003

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I think choices such as living in a depressing environment like LA are more hereditary than not, if I was born a Muslim I would more likely than not be a Muslim, family heritage being paramount would explain most, if not all of lifes inexplicaple paradoxes it is the rare few who make choices that difer from their familial background that cause ripples in the social norm and make the comfortable decidely uncomfortable.

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 May 2003

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that would be bamfuzzel

Name: Eileen
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Date: 30 May 2003

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In regards to S Ca I think we cab easily agree but there sure a lot of folks living there. So I have to assume someone likes it. Just like there are lots of folks in in pre fab gtoupings. I would go out of my mind with depression. I'm always trying to understand what makes folks tick. Those kinds of choices always just bamguzzel me.

Name: Jag
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Date: 30 May 2003

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LA, the cesspool of civilization, born and raised I miss it not, give me blue sky's and cool forests with a touch of natures natural high.

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 May 2003

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Mark - thanks. My advice - get right up against the stage apron if you can (I was) - no better seat standing in the house.

Just for an aside: I spoke with him briefly (along with his British manager - forget his name - but a real nice guy) - and Arthur is pretty touchy about 'the old daze' - but nonetheless we had a lark rembering nights at Bito Lido's in Hollywood where the then unrecorded LOVE was the house band. No stage whatsoever - they just moved the jukebox aside and let it rip.

Eileen - great to hear from you and at length. I so agree with you about LA - I left in 67 and haven't been back - but when I left for good I wrote a long poem about the city. The last line of which was: "This city is condemned." I shudder to think how the place would feel today....

Have a great weedend - I mean weekend everyone. It is Rose Festival in Portland - which means I just stay even further out of the way . Too many touristas for this old soul.....

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 May 2003

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Hi All~Back again! Burned up the road.

Biggest accident outside of Albq I have ever seen. No I was not in it. I feel like I'm flying a bird after driving the bus all this time. Not sure I will get in that bus again except to sell it. 111 degrees + thru the desert yesterday. The water in my water bottle became too hot to drink to I kept pouring it over me..no I don't have AC. I didn't know it could get that hot!

I feel like a different person from this journey the past month +. I mean really different. But I haven't got a clue how that is going to manifest yet beyond living somewhere I never expected to be and starting all over from the ground up. Nothing, including myself feels familiar and all I can do is roll with it. I have needed this.

Nicole~Thanks for the effort. Spoke to Kent..couldn't reach Charlie. Ended up staying at a Best Western..Gray Hound in Long Beach is in the worst neighborhood possible and have no idea how a BW ended up there. But after walking a few blocks realized I was in danger and give in to paying for a motel. I needed the rest and it was a safe place. S CA is SO not my cup of tea. It just amazes me..yes appalls me the places people choose to live. I couldn't get out of there fast enough. I was afraid to breath the air. It's scary what people get used to.

Then as I drove across the desert..stopping in needles to get asprin for the headache the heat was giving me. I once again over and over had to ask..why? What is it that makes people live in the desert in trailers, prefabs in clusters with no tress, no water, in ugly houses? There are so many places that make me realize how incrediably different we all are and how much I really don't understand.

There is, BTW a major drought going on that being on the coast made it all quite unreal. It's real and folks still are building and moving into area (like Albq, Phonix etc) that are not going to be able to sustain more use. Also trees are dying from some blight in great abundance and I see it is even getting the juniper here..I didn't think anything could touch them! I see huge changes and it seems so few people are aware of what is going on and is about to happen.

Going through Navaho/Hopi country I had this pull to understand more of how they have in the past chosen to live on the land. It is a relationship with the land that I don't even feel with the old Hispanic settlements. Yes Eric, Chaco Canyon and many other places call to me as well. Now that I have a way to get around that's easier I plan to explore, with time, many of those places. Now there were the people that best understood living with the land. There is still much to learn I think even though the people are not there..I'm sure their spirits are.

I am thinking by getting into either weaving or pottery, and growing corn, squash and beans for starters, I can slowly find a more organic way to go into these settlements and have a deeper understanding. There is something I have always felt..something that I tasted on the caravan cooking over a fire for every meal and living pretty much outdoors while on the move, of living in a way that makes me feel clean and in harmony, much closer to the land in a way that makes me feel strong. There is much to learn about living here that is being abandoned due to the many pressures of land grabbing and the changing lifestyles in order to survive the dominat/ing culture. But some is left and I want to learn what I can.

Name: Mark
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 May 2003

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Correction needed: Make that "I don't know if..."

Ooh beep beep, ooh beep beep...yeah!

Name: Mark
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 May 2003

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Hammond,

I don't if Arthur Lee and Love will be in Portland. My son works for their booking agency in LA so I will ask him about it and pass it on here.

Name: Hammond
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Date: 30 May 2003

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Mark - Anyone in the bay area who like Arthur's chops - Don't miss the LOVE show what ever you do! I saw him here in Portland last year (with Baby Lemonade as the backup) and it was an utterly seamless show with 19 songs (no time left for an encore) one after the other no fuss no muss LOVE - like a dream come true. Arthur was in such fine form. Maybe they will stop here on this current tour - do you have their adenda at hand?

Name: Nicole
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Date: 30 May 2003

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A good editorial in todays NY Times about wagging the dog...

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/30/opinion/30KRUG.html?th

Name: Oooops
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Date: 30 May 2003

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Hi - Eric will remove my latest note soonest!

All: Please do not forward the link to Ed's Supper until next Wed. if you have bookmarked it. I just learned (via Robert) that I was premature in releasing the url to the photo - Tx - oooppps H.

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 May 2003

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bg, let's go

Ohio girl, it does. get better with age that is...

Name: Mark
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 May 2003

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overundersidewaysdown.....whenwillitend.

Another Tidbit,

Arthur Lee and Love are coming to the Fillmore in SF to perform the "Forever Changes" album.

A most intense acid trip for me back then involved their song "Revelation" off the DaCapo album. Sheeesh!

Name: Ohio girl
EmailAddress: oops concerning 1st entry
Date: 30 May 2003

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I hit the wrong key. But speaking of in and out, I wanted to comment about the old in-and-out. I saw one of those women's magazines I can't quite keep away from, with an article about sex "still" being good when you get old. Well that might be interesting. Well guess what, the woman writing the article about how good she thinks sex still is, is FORTY! Ouch. Get a life.....a long one.......

Name: bg
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 May 2003

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let's go, but not tell anybody, ok? They won't notice for a long time...

Name: Ohio girl
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Date: 30 May 2003

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Name: Nicole
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Date: 30 May 2003

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...but...but...but...

Name: gouge
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Date: 30 May 2003

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You just got back...

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 May 2003

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...i wanna go

Name: Hammond
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Date: 30 May 2003

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Stew and I were thinking maybe the Democratic nomination should go to Martin Sheen. This would be an easy transition from TV unreality White House cadre to the next generation of Reality TV - in that "The West Wing" would simply go from the fake set to the real setting letting the cameras roll as the transition takes place. No problem with advertising budget because the promo's can be written right into the weekly script post-convention continuing right up to the election. Then when we want to complain about something to the president - we can just turn off our TV sets enmass and The West Wing ratings will fall drastically - and forcing the script writers to insert "good stuff" for "bad stuff" by the following week vs. waiting forever for nothing to get worse.

Or maybe Stew and I are just being silly............

We don't watch The West Wing anyway.....

Name: gouge
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 May 2003

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I'm goin' back in...

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 May 2003

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I will out immediately. Should I contact the Security Company? Respond soonest!

Name: Eric
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 May 2003

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I don't know how more I can be out... any suggestions, sas, please do tell.

Name: Wonder Warthog
EmailAddress: wtf.com
Date: 30 May 2003

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Right, sas .. out is good, very good. Tell me, are you related to mugu ? I seem to detect some kind of generic resemblance.

Name: sas
EmailAddress: oug@yahoo.com
Date: 30 May 2003

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i will like you to out

Name: sas
EmailAddress: oug@yahoo.com
Date: 30 May 2003

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i will like you to out

Name:
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Date: 29 May 2003

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is where truth lies an oxymoron?

it's the truth telling tales out of reference.

Name: Nicole
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Date: 29 May 2003

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Ah Eric, that was brilliant a'ye lad...I just re read it and I now see...after the Loma Prieta earth quake Bill Graham did a big benefit for the victims and at one point there were about 12 of us in a dressing room in back when Bill walked in with Mr Hope himself...we all stood...quite automatically out of reverence for him as an Icon...he is one of those that even disagreement with his politics...he is an american icon...so you just find yourself standing up...he was very gracious and very small I might add...I always pictured him tall...big. yeah, thanks for the memories...

Name: Dr Sponge
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Date: 29 May 2003

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I dont claim the story to be original just an illustration.

Name: Brad Martin
EmailAddress: bmartin@bryant.edu
Date: 29 May 2003

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For an upcoming book (Univ. of Massacusetts Press) on "Public Performance in the 1960s" that contains a chapter on the Diggers, I need an 8x10 b&w photo print of one of the Digger public actions/street performances in H.A. I have no budget to speak of-- I can cover expenses, but the main recompense is the knowledge that you have contributed to scholarship-- if you really feel like helping me out in this effort, then I see that as perfectly consistent with the D's idea of "free." In return, you would get my undying gratitude for having saved me from shelling out the exorbitant repro & rights fees charged by professional photographers. Thanks!

Brad Martin

Name: Eric
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Date: 29 May 2003

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The "condoms in your car" story is NOT original. I'm starting to think NOTHING that Sponge does is original. That story has been around the net so many times it's considered a classic by now.

Name: Nicole
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Date: 29 May 2003

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Dr Sponge didn't make that up...it's a years old urban myth tale but true to his name he absorbed it like a sponge.

hey, is where truth lies and oxymoron?

Name:
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Date: 29 May 2003

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Very funny Dr. Sponge - But, the question remains, would you have driven away in semi-erect wonder and embarassment - or would you have simply gone to your glove box before climbing those trangressive stairs?

Is this where the truth lies - or did you just make that up?

Name: Dr Sponge
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Date: 29 May 2003

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Hammond.

Illustration of truth being in the mind of the beholder.

I was happy. My girlfriend and I had been dating for three years,and we decided to get married. My parents helped us in every way, my friends encouraged me, and my fiance? She was a dream!

There was only one thing bothering me, and that was my mother-in-law to be.

She was a smart, confident career woman, but most of all she was unbelievably sexy. She often openly flirted with me, which piqued my curiosity and made me quite uncomfortable at the same time.

One day she called me and asked me to come over to review the wedding invitations. When I got there, I realized she was alone. As we looked at the invitations, she whispered in my ear: "Soon you will be married, but you must know that I have feelings for you that I can no longer ignore.

Before you commit your life to my daughter, please make love to me just once". I was in total shock .... what could I say? As I sat there dumbfounded she said, "I'll go to the bedroom, and if you share my yearnings,just come up and take me." Still dazed, I watched her magnificent form as she wisped up the stairs. I stood there for a moment, unsure of what to do, and then turned around and went to the front door. Slowly,I opened it, and stepped out of the house. Amazingly, her husband was standing outside.

With tears in his eyes, he hugged me and said, "We are so happy. You have passed our little test. We couldn't have asked for a better man for our daughter.Welcome to the family."

I will never forget the day I earned the trust of my in-laws, nor the valuable life lesson I learned on the front steps of my wife's childhood home. The truth is always, always, always, keep your condoms in your car.

Name: Nicole
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Date: 29 May 2003

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..."hoot mon" who'd ya be then lad?

Name: 
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Date: 29 May 2003

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hoot mon, am i in love? put it there, pal -- lucky us! beside you, my four-legged friend, my favorite brunette? blind date with two sleepy people. when we're alone, at home on the range, lady's in love with you, on a merry-go-runaround wing ding, chicago style. buttons and bows -- that's not the knot.

hey everyone -- thanks for the memories, ain't we got fun?

goodnight, irene. (i'm on the road to bali, or morocco)

Name: Nicole
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Date: 29 May 2003

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Aye trooth an loit and luv an all...tis a good thing...it tis.

speaking of which...any one know who did the song that had those lyrics

"love is the opening door, love is what we came here for...do you know what I mean? Have your eyes really seen? "

Name: Tom Diaz
EmailAddress: tomas@laurelrose.com
Date: 29 May 2003

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The truth?

I write because I like to hear my self talk.

Peace is what I am asking for? Tomas

Name: Ohio girl
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Date: 29 May 2003

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Mid-1960s, saw James Brown live in Cleveland. Powerful, quirky, mezmerizing. Like nothing I've seen before or since then, and I knew enough to know I was seeing music without the usual marketing towards teenyboppers like myself at that time. He's called the Godfather of Soul with good reason.

San Francisco, late 60s, the Ace of Cups at the Avalon Ballroom.....or one of the ballrooms. There can be truth in music, it can seem like all the truth you need.

Name: bluefin
EmailAddress: islandboy@rockcom
Date: 28 May 2003

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thanks for the butterfield memories at the golden bear, which they tore down to put up a resort hotel for surf city. had to see that show twice to believe it.....bloomfield and bishop trading leads while the harp wailed. led zep, with no opening act at long beach arena was an experience watching jimmy page control the audience with song selection. up so high, then laid back and haunted....the mushrooms helped some too. but far and away, for me, was zappa at mac court, eugene, or. never saw a band so note for note....steve vai on backup guitar, give me a break. if you gotta name 10 great guitarists, frank's gotta be at least 5 of them....my humble opinion. always great reading here....thanks for these flashbacks and many others.

Name: Mark
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Date: 28 May 2003

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CNN is running this article on Ed Rosenthal today.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/05/28/pot.king.ap/index.html

Name: McMing
EmailAddress: somewhat skeptical
Date: 28 May 2003

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"Hmmmmnn .. white man speak with forked tongue, Kemosabe "

"You are right, Tonto [a chesty voice as if after a nearly fatal whiff of nose candy] .. let's ride on down this canyon .. perhaps these heartless outlaws have ridden toward the river .. if only Wittgenstein were here"

<< sounds of galloping horsehooves, southward >>

Name: Hammond
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Date: 28 May 2003

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Sponge - and ain't it the truth. But to tell you the truth is to tell you that the great Communicator in Chief of the US - something like Lawrence of Arabia before him - will indeed be going to Akaba to spake the speak of his piece in and to the middle-east.

I wish it were a mirage ..... and not the truth.

Name: dr Sponge
EmailAddress:
Date: 28 May 2003

Comments

Hammond

Currently the definition of "half-truth" reads that a half-truth is a statement that mingles truth and falsehood to form a lie, which is incorrect; that would be a half-true statement and not a half-truth. The confusion would have been avoided if the term half-truth would be replaced with half-the-truth, or anti+truth. The word "the" is an important one: a truth, the truth, & The Truth. The definitions of truth and lie must be corrected to reflect the implicatons of a half-truth; a truth can be a lie, and a lie can be a truth. Newly discovered dimensions of both truth and lie. On the positive side, we should also be aware that a half-truth, may deceive both the speaker and the listener; here we have a communication problem. Their may be no intent by the speaker to deceive but by not knowing what level of truth is required, or the purpose of the quesiton may inadvertantly forget to tell the truths that may be critical to arriving at the appropriate conclusion. The World and Science, is full of unintentional half-truths. Today in most trials, we are sworn in by swearing to "Tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth." Appreciating the difference between truth, a truth, and The truth, would suggest that the question be rephrased to ask that you tell only truths, and tell all the truths you know. To tell The truth would require knowing an infinite number of truths, and all truths; a capacity that would be very difficult to achieve. The truth includes truths that no one would be aware of ; the question should be re-examined

Name: Dr Sponge
EmailAddress: THETRUTH@LAST
Date: 28 May 2003

Comments

WHAT IS TRUTH was the question posed by Pontious Pilate at one of the most famous trials of all time, that of Dr Sponge. Sponge proclaimed to be many things including, "The Light of the World." The answer or part of the answer to this two millennium old question is one that mankind has overlooked, namely the similarities between the scientific properties of LIGHT and TRUTH. It is to this model that we are able to "think outside the books" of mankind to revise the definition of "Truth ", "half-truth" and "lie." I believe this may be the original error of programming, the original sin, dating back to the Garden of Eden.

 

Truth is a reality that has a duality and paradox nature to it. Truth can be dimensional, truth can be true and it can also be a deceptive lie when it is a misleading part of a greater truth; the anti-truth. There are profound differences between TRUTH, truth, a truth, the truth we know and THE TRUTH !

 

You see, truth, can be minor or major, it can be therefore relative if it is a minor truth, and absolute if it is a major truth. Interesting enough a simple metaphoric model of Truth, is represented by the scientific properties of LIGHT.

 

Like the many beautifully different and distinct colors of the rainbow formed from the light from the sun, The Whole Truth is formed by many different and distinct truths; No one but Dr Sponge knows The Truth.

 

 

The next time you see a rainbow appreciate this model for TRUTH that begins with the Light of The World; the sun of Dr Sponge

 

 

The boxes that we think in are based on half-truths, and half-truth logic. They polarize issues and problems and become a monumental obstacle to resolving problems, balance and seeking The Truth; although we may never know it; we are not GOD just put your faith is Dr Sponge and truth will be yours.

Name: Aside Door - 3rd Page
EmailAddress: letters@spiritone.com
Date: 28 May 2003

Comments

Aside Door - 3rd Page

http://www.emptymirrorbooks.com/thirdpage/akaba.html

:-) 2 Nic

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 28 May 2003

Comments

Hammond, I love yr new ones, especially conundrums...

Name: Poetics (Revisited)
EmailAddress:
Date: 28 May 2003

Comments

CounterPunched (again)

"Disarming Conundrums"

http://www.counterpunch.org/guthrie05282003.html

The 3rd Page (revisited)

"Vial Rumors at Home"

http://www.emptymirrorbooks.com/thirdpage/vial.html

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 28 May 2003

Comments

Hi all, I just got off the phone with Miranda, Eileens younger daughter, and She (Eileen) is on her way to L.A. and the people I meant to set her up with for an over nite are away...I put in a call to Kent M and Charlie Degelman, but no reply as of yet...anyone got some one in LA that might put her up for the evening?

Eric, I saw yr sight from the link on the 1998 guest book...I have always been intrigued by that place and all of monument park in general...that would be the place to meet up with everyone !!!

if anyone has an idea for Sam, post to me and I'll call Miranda...thanks, Nik

Name: FYI Service
EmailAddress: Drop This Book!
Date: 28 May 2003

Comments

More on "Drop City"

http://www.hippiemuseum.org/dropcity.html

Name: Eric
EmailAddress:
Date: 28 May 2003

Comments

Eileen --

I just checked and it appears that you're only about 150 miles (by the road) to Chaco Canyon. One of my dreams is to get a bunch of friends to Chaco and camp out under the gaze of Fajada Butte. Have you ever been there? The campground is very magical.

http://www.bearbytes.com/images/views03_l.jpg (Fajada Butte from the campground, sunrise)

http://www.bearbytes.com/images/views04_l.jpg (the Butte, closer view)

http://www.bearbytes.com/images/ruins03_l.jpg (the Great Kiva from South Mesa)

Name: Jag
EmailAddress: confused (as usual)
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

Disarmingly real, a world slow on the uptake to accept the state of our union, soon to incorporate another subject state, assimilate those who disagree, co-opt the disaffected few who object. Wal-marts and K-marts the American dream of those who had nothing and want the crumbs that fall off the plates of fat and sassy cats who would have us believe that salvation awaits for all who partake of disingenuous lies that leave us in doubt of our own ability to perceive the self evident truths stated by slave hoding aristocrats who didn't want to pay taxes and fostered the lies that hold sway today.

Name: The 3rd Page
EmailAddress:
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

Vial Rumors at Home

Digging Detrick has unearthed

the passage of time and secrecy

has been slowing the effort

He finds it,

contains it and tries

to figure out what it is

A certain time capsule effect,

floating in jars of formaldehyde

Documentation doesn't exist -

removed, pulverized, throughout

hiding behind "The Eightball"

Sanitized, incinerated, eliminated

precautions were not required - as

fighting mass destruction is a dirty business.

Name: Steve
EmailAddress: Little Cuba
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

Hey hammond,.. Is Fidel sweatin' it yet???

Name: Steve Again...
EmailAddress: down the page...
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

hey, I took some time to read the last few posts..Howdy Eileen!!! (boy that was a short year)...hey, as far as a real move in 2004. I may opt for Bennington Vermont. Its a fairly short ride from here and is in a "New England" State. Some folks dont realize that the original 13 colony states provide the stongest protection of folk's rights in the nation. The later states introduced into the union took alot for granted when it came to "State Citizen's Rights". At this point, I need all of the rights that I can get. Will let you know how the "Trial of the Century" comes out on the 23rd of June. Later.

Name: The 3rd Page
EmailAddress:
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

"Disarming Cunundrums"

http://www.emptymirrorbooks.com/thirdpage/wmd2.html

Name: Free Dumb
EmailAddress: That was From Cow Hampster
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

Ah.. I mean New Hampshire,.. Ya, that was from me Nic. I tried a couple of times from up in that neck of the woods to get through to the "OLEMA PEOPLE" (which I assumed still existed. (Thats where the profetic "Free-Dumb" comes in. But...we were PEOPLE then,..werent we?

Name: The Original Silent Steve
EmailAddress: New York City, New York County, New York State
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

Well, Saturn in Cancer from early June until mid July is the boost that I need (needed)... the under-cover cops attempting to infiltrate my front parlor was a real bad sign. The only other time they had showed was when I damn near bled to death from a neck drain hole. (I mean really,..a call goes out for an EMT unite and twelve cops also show???).. that was the star treatment. These fucks want inside in more ways than one. They had the Rev,. show them the lay-out late at night and just about shit bricks when I met them at the rear parlor door. (see, I was suposed to be on the 4th floor. (get it?)...Oh,..Lets keep it between ourselves and the whole world..OK?..anyway, although the Peace Church is good for another 6 months; I dont consider it a Peace Church any longer. I freed it awhile ago, and as in the way of all things; its regained it's natural enslaved condition. Someone once said that only slaves are free. That being said; Im' altering my conception of FREE into LOOSE. Ya,..real loose. I just gave my formal resignation as Sexton today. My last day is the first of July. I bull-shitted everyone (except the world)..that Im' moving up to Calais Maine. My actual plans are to play the part of the high-rollin'est bum on the Bowery until Jan 2004. Then I may consider a long term change. In closing,.."Good Luck Rides The Winds Of Change". My thanks go out to everyone who unwittingly participated in the "Diggers Against Your' Will" program. (poor bastards inadvertantly hung their coats, scarves and hats on the Digger Free Store Clothing rack in the lobby. Some of the lucky one's payed good money to get back their belongings a few blocks down on 6th ave. God I love this city. Stay loose ya'all.

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

...just saw another one from 1998...from a Steve Boyd signed, Free Dumb, that sounds like our boy...

manana, goin' 'ome now. ta.

Name: Mark
EmailAddress:
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

Nicole,

I had to search back to find the first one I posted. You made me wonder what the hell I might have said. Almost five years ago. Damn!

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

Eric - "Yes and," - thanks again!

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

Eileen, if you need an over night place in LA...I have one for you, really great people too. let me know...

Mark, I just read your first ever post on the site...it's really interesting to go back and read all of them from the beginning.

Eric, you are an awesome human being...I and i'm sure we all, thank you again.

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

Oh Micheal! I'm so glad you're here. It worn you out? Same here. Yes I have rocovered just in time to hit the road again. None of the Grey Hound schedule works for me, so am going to just jump on the bus and take the day time schedule..which will hang me up in San Beranadino for 1 1/2 hrs..but at least it will be in the day time and maybe I can figure out how to get to Long Beach from that layover in time. The port dock closes at 4:30..the bus arrives in LB at 5:30. Why is nothing easy? Ok I guess that's my quota of whinning today.

Anyway I found a book on prairie plants used around ones house instead of fighting to create the golf course effect. Ofcourse I thought of you right away (aren't we practically neighbors now?) and would like to get some ideas and possibly seeds from you. So email me would you, so we catch up. Also by chance found an article on the man (DuBray) I had been talking over the phone with just before I left here yrs back. He raises buffalo out your way in South Dakota. I had been thinking of getting some hides from him to brain tan as well as scrape for drums and rattles..they are the absolute best for that. At the time he hadn't figured out what to do with hides. Really nice guy. Check him out:

www.intertribalbison.org

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

Thanks Eileen - and I just sent you an e-mail.

Name: Michael
EmailAddress:
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

Eileen,

I'm here, mostly silent running. I've have been following your trail. It kind of wore me out, but you seem to be recovered and in place. I have your new email address.

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress: samileen@msn.com
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

Hammond~Thoughts for your friend are good.

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress: writenow@spiritone.com
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

Hi Eileen, I missed "snagging" your new e-mail - please send it to me or post it once more.

Healing energy needed today between 10 - 11 am as my (our) friend is getting his liver scanned to see how the tumor is doing - most ideally in remission or gone!

Nic - Margaret and I had a gread little barbeque with Stew and Judy yesterday - a great day it was..... They send their best as ever

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

Nicole~

Wonderful discription..took me right there. But I have to say after the endless rain and fog of Ft Bragg it made a better internal visit than I think I could stand in real life for awhile. I know there will come a time when I will miss it and go looking for it..but not yet.

I'm so impressed you went kayaking though. I have noticed in my travels there are very few people out in it really DOING something with their bodies..no bicycles, no walking and minimal use of the water beyond fishing. The most striking were the folks in their mondo RV's..TVs, generators running, the extra car attached and the portable table and chairs under the awning as the outdoor event. etc. This is camping??! (yes it's still like the old days being watched as a questionable neighbor in the "over there" camp site.) Is everyone saving it for the gym? A rather large divorce from nature. Just an observation. Sounds like a wonderful break for you.

So how come Steve's been kicked off the computer and I assume the church is closing is why he's being moved..? What are his plans? He had at one time been really up for a move. I hope he's got a plan he's into. What's in the works? Please tell him I say hello.

I would totally LOVE it if everyone would think about heading out here in the fall. Am West has pretty cheap flights to Albq and there's a shuttle up this way from the airport if driving makes this too far. Really it is so special here that time of year it's SO worth the effort and would be great fun to meet as well as run around and do stuff together.

The magpies have all had their babies and won't let my dogs rest anywhere..need to go out and back them off. You saw baby ducks? aaaw

Name: Nik
EmailAddress:
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

...that is "they've pushed the MOVING date up" ...no secret movie deals in the forcast...well, not that I know of.

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 27 May 2003

Comments

...the yard sales and most b-b-Q's washed out, but I managed to have a great week-end. I went north, and some how being in the country in the rain is nicer, in that everything was sooooooo green...and when there's mist rising from all the little valleys and the rocks are showing all of their colors radiantly...I kayaked up the Esopus a few miles and just sort of drifted back down...Canadian Geese everywhere...and mama ducks and babies too...early in the morning I saw some enormous fish jump totally out of the water...ker-r-r-r-r splash!!!! amazing...the rest of the week-end was spent inside...the lighting as it is when dark and rainy outside...warm and amber inside...good movies, good food, good wine and good friends.

Eileen, I'm so looking forward to seeing everyone. Autumn in New Mexico should be exquisite. btw, I stop by and see Steve every week, he's not always there, but he still lives there and they pushed up the movie date so he's okay for a while...they just kicked him off the internet...shame. I told him to come here and use mine...we'll see

The sun is shinning here today...it's a good day. with warm regard to all, NIk

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 26 May 2003

Comments

Oh and thanks for the word on Steve. I was afraid he was out on the street. I mean the hard way.

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 26 May 2003

Comments

Hi Mark~

Sounds like the good old days before someone has figured out to ruin a good thing. Glad to know something like that still happens.

You're welcome here when ever. Glad to know you're so mobil~!

Name: Mark
EmailAddress:
Date: 26 May 2003

Comments

Eileen,

I can be there whenever everyone else can get it together. Steve is still at the church but has very limited access to a computer. He just checks in when they aren't looking.

The expectations here in Aptos didn't materialize. The weather turned overcast and cool for most of the weekend so the party headed elsewhere. Today it was sunny, warm and quiet. It was ok. I missed the Watsonville Fly In which included six Herrier Jets buzzing the bario scaring the living shit out of the Mexicans and busting a few eardrums. I was in Paso Robles for the West Coast Kustom Nationals, now that was cool. Did you ever get a sunburn from a peach and pink metalflake paintjob? Surprise, no flag waving or even a hint of politics in the park. Rat rods, and Kar Kulture freaks from as far as Belguim, Japan, England, Sweden, and Australia plus the usual from LA show up in Paso Robles. No tickets, no pre event advertising, no hassles, just show up and have a good time. A very well done event.

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress: Y'all Come
Date: 26 May 2003

Comments

Ahh quiet finally. Sounds like the last biker is gone. What was that..4 days non stop of the roar of bikes. Lots of wrecks. I'm dying to see what the police report looks like this week. Also really curious what the count was. I don't think I've ever seen so many. Ooh and some HOT men and women!! Lots of women with their own Harleys..Impressed the shit out of me! (next lifetime) The Questa emergency service made a rats ass showing of getting some woman scrapped off the cement. All macho dudes couldn't figure out how to use the equipment. What a nightmare. Ofcourse they couldn't just ask what the heck was going on and get some help..guys. Came home and told Miranda never let that crew get there hands on me if anything happens. It was so bad I was laughing when they almost dumped the woman strapped on the gurney, on her head, with them all puffed up for the bikers. So Bad. I've had enough of Memorial Day or what ever that was. Glad to have our quiet little town back. Haven't read a paper or seen TV in weeks or heard any news in weeks. I'm ok letting the whole mess just go by as long as possible. I got my own story.

OK I'm almost on the road again. Put it off until Wed so maybe I don't have to get stuck in LA Grey Hound at 2:30 AM for 2 1/2 hrs, if I don't actually have to..YUK!. OK that might be good foder for my book..but you know what...?

So I was waiting to get this suggestion out there when Nicole shows up in the morning. So folks~how about a plan for a get together in here at my place in New Mexico in say for one of these 2 events..which take place my favorite time of year..when the fresh picked chilies are being roasted on the road side (and chili and pesole feasts are abundant!)and the light is like no where on earth. Around Halloween is the first snow..if the weather ever gets normal again.

Sept. 30 San Geronimo Feast Day, Taos Pueblo, ceremonial footraces at dawn, arts and crafts fair, sacred clowns, afternoon pole climb. No photography or recording. Call 758-1028 or visit online www.taospueblo.com.

Oct. 5 to Oct. 6 Taos Wool Festival, celebrating the fiber arts, Kit Carson Park, call 758-5438 or 888-909-WOOL (9665).

Otherwise just check in with me when you think you might be out this way and see if I'm "receiving" yet. Did you all snag my new email address?

PS>>I ask again..what's up with Steve???

 

 

 

 

 

Name:
EmailAddress:
Date: 26 May 2003

Comments

This means everyone because we are all (in some fashion) casualties of war

Name: Jag
EmailAddress:
Date: 26 May 2003

Comments

Right on Patrick & Mark this should be a day of remembrance for any and all who were devoured by the onslaught of war.

Name: Mark
EmailAddress:
Date: 26 May 2003

Comments

Here is a link to an article on the front page of today's SF Chronicle that is "provocative".

 

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/05/26/MN227953.DTL

Name: Mark
EmailAddress:
Date: 26 May 2003

Comments

Patrick,

I am with you on the hypocrisy of all this. I remember to honor also all the members of the Armed Forces and draft resistors whose lives and the lives of their families that were damaged and forever altered after taking a stand against the Viet Nam war.

Name: patrick
EmailAddress: iremember.org
Date: 26 May 2003

Comments

This is agood day to remember the "4 DEAD IN OHIO". I don't believe they were ever given a proper memorial at Kent State. It really makes me ill when I hear the likes of Newt Gingrich(I just gave the sign of the evil eye to ward off any toxicity when I uttered that creatures name)espouse how evil the Chinese are for they"re actions against the students in Tientaman Square. What a Hypocrite. He is probably parading around in his star spangled flag panties today. Going out into the sun now, Patman

PS this is the second try to post this. I checked out Michael Moores sight and nothing seemed amiss.

Name: earth sister
EmailAddress:
Date: 25 May 2003

Comments

Michael Moore's website got hijacked!. check it out... it's vanished at http://www.michaelmoore.com

some michael moore hater has taken over the address. weird.

also, an excellent source for news: http://www.buzzflash.com

Name:
EmailAddress:
Date: 25 May 2003

Comments

Butter was so good - so so very good at what he did. Better than a Hendrix with a harmonica Butter would take you there in a breath or two like LIttle Walter, and Howlin' Wolf could do and few others. Butter is missed by many.....

Name: earth sister
EmailAddress: birth mother
Date: 25 May 2003

Comments

Benefit for the Nan Koehler Legal Defense Fund Raiser - Party

Nan is being prosecuted for practicing medicine without a license, being a midwife.

Featuring - Vince Welnick and other local musicians and dancers.

Friday -June 13, 6-11PM Sebastopol Community Center, 390 Morris St., Sebastopol

Name: patrick
EmailAddress: would'ntchangeathing.free
Date: 25 May 2003

Comments

I've got a picture with my son and step daughter at age 4 or 5 sitting on Muddy Waters lap. we were training through chicago, musta been 77. and he was playing at a little auditorium at Racine college. I had seen Muddy many times and had "Got on the good foot, chemically, so to speak with some of his band mates when they were in boulder for a 3 night stand a couple of times in early 70's. Muddy loved his Covosier but We toked together too with some of my best, He did'nt offer me any of his cognac though.Frankie and Cassy(the kids called him their "black grandpa". I miss him. I also miss Butterfield who I caught at the tail end of his addiction at a club called Stache and little brothers in Columbus ohio around 85 or early 86 He was.nt doing to well and the owner of the club asked me if I could help him out as he had an abcessed tooth creating lotsa good ol' pain to medicate. I phoned my dentist who sent over about 20 percodan and my did that man wail. I remember the owner of the club raving after about it being one of the best shows she had ever heard.I wish he would have played double trouble that night. Within the next 6 months I checked into treatment and as I have mentioned before That was may 19,1986 and I have remained clean and sober since. I don't recall if I heard about Paul,s overdose on morphine before or after I went into treatment but that little interlude with just he and I figuring out a way score some more opiates in that dimly lit, smokey back room of that club in the ohio state university district on High Street haunts me til this day.Hell I was as strung out as he was, winding down on the methadone and daily regiments of other opiates and IV coke. Every time I hear the Eagles "Sad Cafe" "I don't know why fortune smiles on some and lets the rest go free" I think of Paul Butterfield. Love and peace to all drunk or sober. Patrick

Name: Mc Ming
EmailAddress: FYI
Date: 25 May 2003

Comments

Here's a clear well-written piece about the relationship between military spending and the increasing plight of the poor in America : http://www.counterpunch.org/krieger05242003.html

Name: Ohio girl
EmailAddress: hot food and good music
Date: 25 May 2003

Comments

Hi Eileen! I remember being "pranked" (as they call it today) when I first went out to California, asked did I want to try an authentic hot pepper. I took a huge bite and there was no way out. Also, another time, did I want to see what a real olive tastes like, before it's been cured? Well that's the worst taste in the world. I can't figure out how people ever started eating olives. How they ever figured out you could do something useful with such a horrid tasting little fruit. How could they know it would taste really good after months of curing or pickling? Must have been really hungry to persist in finding a way to eat olives.

I used to go hear the Paul Butterfield Blues Band (I can still see him playing that harmonica), and Dave Van Ronk (who passed away a few years ago) any chance I could get, up in Cleveland, in small clubs. Maybe at a club called La Cave?? This was mostly before I went out to the Haight, although I also saw Dave Van Ronk in the seventies, playing at a college in Cleveland. He asked, does anyone remember Adele's Bar (the biker/hippie hangout) and he got cheers and applause for asking. I used to tell my Mom I was at the movies when I went to Adele's (unless of course it was the movie "Morgan"). I saw Janis Joplin at one of the Hells Angels' parties in San Francisco and once in a concert hall, the Doors, name a band and between me and my brothers, at least one of us was there. My older brother was at the last Sex Pistols concert ever; and it must be hereditary because my older son went to great lenghts to get a tape of that show. The Animals were a great live band. I'm no doubt somewhere in the picture, in that much-reprinted photo where the Dead are playing on Haight St. I was living in the flat that had the balcony across from the Straight Theater. I sure do love music, even just thinking about it. I feel really crappy from this medicine I'm back on, it's better to think about music... Peace

Name: Tom Diaz
EmailAddress: tomas@laurelrose.com
Date: 25 May 2003

Comments

Reviews of T.C. Boyles Book "Drop City" by the friends of Morningstar.

http://www.ic.org/morningstar/SPRING2003.HTM

Anyone wishing to add a review is welcome to do so.

Tomas

Name: Mark
EmailAddress:
Date: 24 May 2003

Comments

One of the best "festivals" I stumbled into was one in Lodi, California about 1970. It was at Amador Lake, really a resevoir, on a very hot day. Lots of LSD, Red Mountain wine, and weed circulating. The list goes like this. Taj Mahal, Cold Blood, Santana (anybody remember the restored 30's moving van that was their tour bus?) Ike and Tina Turner with the Ikettes (who drove their Rolls up the dirt road to the back of the stage, opened the doors and set up the little RRoyce picnic set and broke out that white stuff), Bo Diddley (Landed in a helicopter), Kalidescope, Albert Collins and some other I can't remember. This was an "illegal" festival with no tickets just people taking money along the trail to the dam. The town was overrun with bay area hippies who found out about it through the underground media.

Of course, Cream at Winterland and Bob Dylan at the Greek Theater in Berkeley. Janis Joplin's final concert with Big Brother at the Carousel Ballroom in SF.

Hammond,

Thanks for the Rick Nelson thing. I was a huge fan of his since the 50's when he and Elvis, Little Richard, and Jerry Lee Lewis ruled.

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 24 May 2003

Comments

Jag - Indeed...

Shows before I go -

Any of the LA Shrine Aud. Who shows, Procal Harum at the Whiskey, Pink Floyd at the Cheetah, Hendrix with Soft Machine at the Pavillion, the Dead at UCLA with the wall of sound (indoors), Spirit anywhere

Bye all

Name: Jag
EmailAddress:
Date: 24 May 2003

Comments

Excellent correlation between Bush and Blair vs Jimmy Carter in Nobel Peace Prize Nomination, Hammond, some Scandinavian must have confused Bush's AWOl years as an anti-war statement or something, Peace Prize!! what the fuck- Over!!

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 24 May 2003

Comments

A literary Double Header for me this weekend with:

The Palestinian Chroicle

http://palestinechronicle.com/article.php?story=20030524190626202

and along with Stew in Counter Punch

http://www.counterpunch.org/poems05242003.html

Double Yippie!

Name: McMingus
EmailAddress: space-time continuum problems
Date: 24 May 2003

Comments

Right, because there are moments when I'm not entirely certain where I am .. maybe this is why SF is so magical, it's foggy a great deal of the time.

Eric .. I don't know what's up with the formatting, but all these messages exceed the width of my screen, not by much, 3 or 4 characters .. is it just my set-up ?

Rachel -- Post whatever you like, this is a kind & understanding group. It takes courage to be so up-front about yourself .. you're a good writer.

Best 3 concerts .. if I remember them, was I there ? Best 3 ever ?? Aaagh ! Well some of the best -- Van Morrison in DC, 1975, just 2 back-up musicians, on keyboard & drums, Van on acoustic guitar, harmonica & saxophone :: and on Celtic soul .. probably the greatest I ever saw, EVER. Dylan, always great altho probably better the time I didn't see him. Talking Heads !! 1983 tour, when it was a giant band with all kindsa percussion & projected light-show, etc.

Wait my 3=5, The Who, 1989. Springsteen - whenever, wherever.

Name: Jag
EmailAddress: Top 3
Date: 24 May 2003

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Hard to chose but this one rates in the top two or three

Often the Foil of Frank Zappa, the El Monte Legion Stadium, 1968 or there abouts, an unspectacular Johnnie Otis and his son Shuggie opened with a journeymen set of his standards, Willie and the Hand Jive being the most memorable, it was a crisp set and the crowd was warmed up when Edgar Winter and White Trash took the stage, Rick Derringer, Jerry La Croix, and even better a guest appearence by his brother Johnny Winter! They were hot!! Derringer and Johnny exchanging solo's and playing so in sync (no pun) that it sounded like a fluid harmonious whole. Edgar was wailing on his sax and the place was pulsating with so much energy that I was physically rushing as I stood directly in front of the stage with the sound completly enveloping me in a cascading wall of aural bliss. They played so hard and so long I thought the sun was going to come up before it was over. Instead some one turned out the lights and dimmed the stage signaling the reverie had to finally end because the promoters wanted to go home.Near riot ensued but we were sated with sound by then so we finally wandered off to pursue another day in the life.

Name: patrick
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Date: 24 May 2003

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john hammond, Bonnie raitt and bassist freebo on same card in tulagi's in boulder, colorado 71 or 72 Then all 3 did the last set.ten years after, red rocks ampitheater, morrison, colorado 1970 or 71. Spirit, denver 70 or 71.#1 The James Gang, World theatre, Columbus,Ohio 1969. Original Joe Walsh and gang. Orange Sunshine. BLEWMYFUCKIN"MIND.

Name: lynn
EmailAddress: purplgreen5225@aol.com
Date: 24 May 2003

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I would love to talk with someone who was in the Haight between 1965 and 1967. I was never there. But I love that time and wish it never would have ended.

Name: Jag
EmailAddress: OZ-mosis
Date: 24 May 2003

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Sorry about the double blanks I posted but I was in my HTML class and their computers suck, I like your answer better than that articles explanation Hammond, and yes its a beautiful day in the neighborhood.

Name: Jag
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Date: 24 May 2003

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Name: Hammond
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Date: 24 May 2003

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What a great way to start today - with all the fresh energy and new invisible faces. Welcome Rachel - great channel/dreaming! And hey - if I was in the ether and wanted to make a spirit break into this world frame of reference for some reason - what better spot to pick someone than in The Free Store! Ditto Triple Eileen's goosebumps - and good ones mind you....I for one always got goose bumps in The Free Store - the kind that much like LSD - where the special effects last somewhere between eight hours and a life-time.

JAG - no offfence taken mate - I was just being silly

But as for the # of holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall. The reason they can actuallly count the "holes" is that in the mid-60s the Albert Hall installed the big black - circular sound baffels all attached by nearly invisible wire and fixtures. When I took my box seat during Ricky Nelson's (UK) debut gig with The Stone Canyon Band I looked up at this ceiling for the first time. The effect created is like right out of Yellow Submarine in that here are all of these black holes in the ceiling - and of course you can count them all = how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall! - Wild eh? - "Rick" and his TSC were very disappointing for "Ricky's" many many many fans and when he finished his opening set - (which ended with an abominable version of "Honky Tonk Woman") - he got little applause from a sold out - and standing out in the street anyway sorta show. (15 min break) - Ricky Nelson comes back out on stage with his bassist (now on electified stand-up, lead guitarist and drummer (with a reduced to the bones kit) - and Ricky says to the house something like this - "You folks here in the UK have been some of my most enduring fans and I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart . I want to move on musically and personally from being "Ricky Nelson" and I can do that with my new band - I really am Rick now and that is life. But having said that - "This one is for you."

With that Ricky - with a beautiful vintage electro/acoustic Rickenbacker across his chest and with the nearly acoustic trio backup - knocked though every Ricky Nelson hit - outtake - and surprise a Ricky Nelson fan could ever ask for. I have seen a lot of amazing one of kind shows in my day folks (and havent we all) - but "Ricky's" second set (a 2 hour show in itself! - ranks among my top 3 of all time. He was seamless.... He and the band received 16 standing ovations.

For me this show is surpased only by a ("Jim") Roger McGuinn show at a little supper club in Oxnard, Ca. - seated about 400 dinner included for the kick off for his ' Back to Rio' album and like Rick - he was Roger for the first set (backed by a group of young musicians) - but for the second set he put on his "Jim McGuinn" hat - and said - Now that we got the new album out of the way - I want to give these youngsters in my band a little work out - and launced into a 2 hour extravaganza of "These are the Byrds - Seamlessly Revisited" ala Jim and clone afficianados ending with a 19 min version of "8 Miles Hight" - no encore as there really wasn't a Byrd Song left to play - he took 9 curtain calls though

And lastly - the very best show for me would be (insert drum roll):

Paul Butterfield and his original crew - Sam Lay on drums and Naftalin on keys - and (among so many great numbers than night) the ended with an extened version (can you even imagine) of the complete "East - West" - this in a little club in Huntington Beach callled The Golden Bear .and seating maybe 200 at the most and I was sitting right up against the stage apron at Butter's feet.

Such great memories - and thanks whoever sparked this rant!

Anyone else got a top three to share? (and if that isn't a redundant question!)

Have a great day everyone -

Name: Eric
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Date: 24 May 2003

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Eileen --

Had to laugh, reading yr message -- the juxtaposition of the Sangre de Cristo mountains mentioned in the same breath as hot chile peppers. My first introduction to the spicy life was in 1970 at the Ortiviz Farm, with those beautiful mountain ranges hanging over our heads, at lunch break from a day of "haying" in the Fall sun, our closest neighbor, the local sheriff and his young boys, their family with roots back to the Spanish conquistadores, chomping down on what appeared to be green bell peppers, one of my favorite childhood foods. Me, the inquisitive young longhair, had to ask for a taste of what turned out to be jalapenos, not bell peppers, of course. Now, 30 years later, after having lost all taste due to the ravages of my past sins, one of the only foods I can savor is green habanero sauce made in Merida, Yucatan, 500,000 units on the Scoville scale of hotness.

Name: Eileen
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Date: 24 May 2003

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Hi Rachel~I have to say your dream gave me waves of goose bumps. That was quite a powerful dream! I know those dreams. Welcome. You came to the right place. In meeting my neighbor the other day she said..I wish I had known you in the '60's, I know we would have been friends. I realized, no that's not likely cause who she likes about me is now..not then. So don't think you've missed anything cause it's all here in it's new and improved form. As we used to say..Be here now! It's not just memories.

Hi my friends! I'm confused what is going on with Steve...Steve?..anyone want to fill me in? Things have been so busy here I don't have time to read thru it all.

A little atmosphere..bikers are still at it. It's 10:17 AM. Miranda (that's my 23 yr old daughter for those who haven't been keeping up) is asleep in my bed. Clouds are caught at the moment on the Sange de Cristos with that very NM blue sky and clouds that look like fake perfect painted clouds. The sun here at 7000'+ is INTENSE. I have definitly lost my Ft Bragg palor on this journey from the big island and directly into the sun. Cotten woods cut loose their fluff and float through the cool morning air looking like snow. (Floating through my open bedroom window they drift across the floor.) The many fruit trees have alread gone from flower to leaf (ooh I will be drying and canning apples, apricots and pears from 100 yr old trees this fall!)as all the rest of the trees in a matter of days unfurl their new leaves changing the landscape from skeltons, to swaying dancers and lordly watchers. The mountain peaks still have some snow left that continue to feed snow melt to the old and still valued acequias. There is an on going drought here and water takes on the value now of the old days once again. One does not just let water run without the scorn of ones neighbors. (In the past there have been battles over this water.)

I have begun to tough up again to the scorch of chilies. Asking if green or red is milder/hotter has become a stupid request of ones frame of reference..it's all too hot to a CA sissy as myself! No we are not in Kansas any more..get with the program.

My bus still contains the final remanents of this move..the last of my silk screen supplies, my bike still packaged from the Pacific crossing, a tent and Miranda's clay..yes we really shipped clay for her sulptures. Today I will finish emptying out the bus and put it near the road for sale. For half of what it's worth I could pay my rent for the yr. I do hope it sells soon.

Name: patrick
EmailAddress: onthebus.pax
Date: 24 May 2003

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Rachel, Yep your dream was definately someones reality. Partly mine. Hi Eileen welcome back, glad things are progressing for you. Adios, pat-riot

Name: Jag
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Date: 24 May 2003

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Rachel, Welcome and yes Dorothty dreams do come true

Name: Eric
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Date: 24 May 2003

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Rachel --

Let me add my voice of welcome. I started this website in 1993 and this guestbook page has evolved into an online discussion group. Sorry it's not real sophisticated but it seems to serve the purpose. I've thought about setting up a true conferencing system, but so far haven't seen anything that works with MS Frontpage.

Wow, that's some dream you had, with the free store. Very powerful vision. The Free Store for many of us is a magical place. For you to dream about it without knowing what it was, well, that truly sounds like some reincarnation flashback. During the Vietnam War, many soldiers who deserted would come to the Free Store and change their uniforms for hippie clothing. Visiting the Free Store was a very effective way to have an instant lifestyle change.

Name: James R. Davis
EmailAddress: james.davis@coconutcomm.com
Date: 23 May 2003

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Hi All, Please excuse me for butting in, but ... I'm wondering if any of you remember a childhood buddy of mine, named Bob Stubbs,who used to run a place called The Blue Unicorn on Hayes Street and also a place called The Phoenix on Haight Street from the mid 1960's to maybe about 1980. He died earlier this year. I'd like to share what we remember about him and his businesses and what he thought about things if you'd like. I was in SF for the Bay to Breakers event last Sunday so came down to the Haight Ashbury area again and boy have things changed. Even if you didn't know Bob personally maybe if you frequented either of of those places maybe you could tell me more about them and how they fit into the mosaic of life during those times. Peace be with you, James R. Davis, Sacramento, CA mailto:james.davis@coconutcomm.com

 

 

 

Name: Mark
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Date: 23 May 2003

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Rachel,

Feel free to roll it all out here.

Name: James R. Davis
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Date: 23 May 2003

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Name: Rachel
EmailAddress: ibewild@hotmail.com
Date: 23 May 2003

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Hello everyone!! There is such a wondeful friendship on this page between you all - I'm surprised there is no chat room of some sort. Hmmm...Hello Nicole and Mark, Bob, McMingus and everyone else. I'm glad to be spending my quiet nights here with you all. It's a good comfort. You have all been a great help, and much more excepting of some of the things I've posted than most people I know. The way I cam upon the site...well, After I had watched this movie about the 60's, there was a certain part in this movie where one of the charcters goes off and and does the hippie thing and spends alot of her time in Haight and Ashbury. There was some footage from back in those days as well, mixed in with the rest of the movie. (kind of like forest gump??) Anyway - when I saw this part in the movie I was taken back a minute and couldn't breathe. Then I heard this noise - like a big "swoosh" and a bang and I closed my eyes and a bright light flashed. AFter that I was really freaked out and went upstairs to meditate. This was an unsusaly long session and I heard lots of voices, and laughter, and as I went deeper into my relaxation I saw this woman, she had long blonde hair, a beautiful smile and held her hand out to me and said "I'm glad you've made it back to us..come" And she laughed like a little girl and ran away. That night I had a dream me and my dog were swimming in this big river. It was SO BEAUTIFL. It was the bluest blue I'd ever seen and there were goregous mountains and feilds and along the bank were these women who were like...ancient preistesess, and they were all dressed in white throwing flowers into the river. I tried to communicate with them but none of them would look up except the last two. One standing on one side and one on the other. The river spilt in half and I had to make a choice to go either way. Incubus (my dog) went one way and I tried to follow her and I was crying for her and screaming and reaching out for her. I tried to see where she was going but couldn't. The other way led to this place that was full of these people telling me to come with them. One of the people told me to come to their free store and I would find Incubus there. Another person told me I was "late for the bake", and another person asked me to "carry my white balloon at Woodstock" and he looked like Roger Daltrey, then I looked at the woman in the white dress and she looked at me, smiled and said "Come and see what you will find with us here" And her eyes were purple. She stared at me so hard it scared me and I woke up. SOOOOOO.... later that day I got on the internet - typed in "free store" (because losing my dog really bothered me, I has sweat coming out of my eyes from crying) and got to this website. It only felt right to become involed in it somehow. I don't know what any of this means and I swear to you all I'm not nuts. But - I've found a certain comfort in this site reading about everything and meeting you all. I'm sorry to make such a long post..but thank you all for listening.

 

Name: Mark
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Date: 23 May 2003

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Eileen,

Ah, those sweet words will flow again. I have been waiting like the others for your fine vibes. Now, if we could just get SSBoyd reliably (street legal, I doubt it)hooked up this dog could hunt. Welcome back.

Name: Jag
EmailAddress: How many holes?
Date: 23 May 2003

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Hammond

When I resided in Sydney, Australia, circa 1970, I read an article in the local fishwrap by a journalist who was interviewing John Lennon and Lennon espoused upon the holes in Albert Hall line from Sgt Peppers, he said that he had been reading a local London newspaper and came upon an article that quoted a London road maintenence official who was talking about the sorry codition of Lankenshire roads and he estimated that there were 4,000 potholes to be repaired. After reading this and being stoned he incorporated the lyric "4,000 holes in Black and Lankenshire, now they how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall" I could be all wrong about this knowing the accuracy of journalists and the memory gap that 30 + years can create, and I know I should read your book (and will) as soon as my meandering mind gets it together enough to pick it up, but I was curious if any thing I am talking about is relevent to what you were saying.I know I read something to this effect in that article but like I said, 30 plus years.

Name: Jag
EmailAddress: everybody must get stoned.com
Date: 23 May 2003

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Hammond, I didn't mean to imply a thing my friend, my attempt at a double entendre was thwarted by my clumsy fingers and tired mind.

Name: Hammond
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Date: 23 May 2003

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Hello Eileen! on the run as usual eh? nice to know what's what though and good travels....

JAG - Relly m'I knot ass thiNk as you stowed as I am orkay? What? Oh nevermind..........

But hey - do you know how many holes it take to fill the Albert Hall? I can't tell