The Digger Archives Guestbook 2003

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NOTE: this file contains the entries from January, 2003. The regular Guestbook contains entries later in 2003.

Name: Yippie!
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Date: 31 Jan 2003

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A poet and a one man band

New York 1/30/03 - The White House said Wednesday it postponed a poetry symposium because of concerns that the event would be politicized. Some poets had said they wanted to protest military action against Iraq.

In a tribute to its former Governor Texas has just executed three people in three days. But Laura Bush provides the genteel culture, the literary salons and symposiums that misdirect attention from her husband's brutalitarian authoritarian vulgarian Junta of war and roundups. At least up to now.

She invited many poets to the White House to talk about Walt Whitman Emily Dickinson and Langston Hughes. (Nice mix, a woman, a gay, and a black former Red,) and poet Sam Hamill put out the word if you're going read and write an antiwar poem and if you are not going write an antiwar poem and send it to Sam.

Hammond Guthrie and I wrote antiwar poems (by oversight, Laura hadn't invited us.) and sent them to Sam.

Laura has now canceled her gathering of genteel veneer and literary misdirection and I'm sure it was Hammond's poems and mine that made the dramatic difference boldly forcing hypocrisy over its edge of illusion.

Now we just have three executions in Texas Cheney's shadow government and a war. But at least we have our poets.

posted by Stew

Name: Eric
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Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Peter and Judy confirmed it was the Dukhobors and Peter did make a video of the Sons of Freedom encamped outside the BC prison. This was the winter of 1970-71, before the cross country caravan the next summer. The video camera had been laid on Peter by a Hollywood director and Peter used it on the caravan for the filming of the Homeskin video postcards.

Name: IMAM
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Breezing in and breezing out -No fun in mudville today. Maybe tomorrow will bring sunshine-IMAM-Suspect

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress: leaving work now, bye bye
Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Mark, Sure I know Dan...haven't seen him for years but knew'm quite well...and the girls too, Naomi was a riot. I saw the Leno show...Robbie and Ray were fine but I didn't like the singer...not because of JM but he just didn't seem to fit...I hate being critical of another singer...but he just didn't do it for me...they did Light My Fire which happens to be my all time favorite song...I spoke to the guy who produced my stuff for Bearsville yesterday and when I said I didn't have copies of anything he said he'd burn me a cd from the Japanese Box set Bearsville released a couple of years ago...it has some never released stuff of mine...as soon as I get it I'll send one to you...ps say hello to Judy for me...

Name: Mark
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Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Nicole,

That phone call you made was a very good thing. Glad that you got to hear that voice again. Hey, do you know Dan Hicks? Turns out my stepson works for his booking agency in LA. They are also the agency that is doing the Doors reformation with a new singer. I don't how well that will go over, I was supposed to watch them on Leno a week or so ago but fell asleep before it came on. I am getting to old to stay up that late, I need my sleep.

Oh, I did see the Strolling Bones on HBO.....tired man, tired. Bobby Keyes was there as always.

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Just got off the phone with Eileen she was sitting at the table with her two daughters...We hadn't actually spoken to eachother in about 10 years...I love that Louisiana voice...said she was taking a break from the computer, nso not to worry she's doing fine.

Name: Nicole
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Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Steve wanna take a quick trip west with me in spring? This will be amazing.

Name: Mark
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Whoops.....I forgot Eric. Eric must be honored at anything we do as the grand master of our cosmic collision.

Name: Mark
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Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Nicole,

Hey, that sounds great. We should be able to put something together for you, Eileen, maybe Hammond and myself at least. Now, how can we work SSBoyd into this West Coast hoedown?

That MUGU thing has shown up on the Planet Drum site also. Along with the sponge. All graffiti like.

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Mark, yes I am coming west probably in May...maybe April...will keep you up to date on that...my son has been on a forced vacation in beautiful Lompoc due to some unfortunate circumstances, but will be leaving there on March 24 and wants me to wait till he gets settled some what before I come out...he'll be living in Venice then but I will go to SF and my sister Jenn lives in Arcata so I'll go north and I want to see Eileen of course too.

Hey I think this MUGU post-er is the one must have gleened my e-mail off this site for the nigerian scam...if I'm wrong sorry...but identify yourself...I have gotten yr e-mails in my mail box...but never open them since there is never anything to identify yourself...wha'd up?

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: and rich are the tapestries of the collective mind
Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Eric, thanks for the additional information on what was the barest thread of a memory. I'm almost sure that the Doukhobors are the group that were central to the story, told once and briefly in passing, that I remember--but as with dim recollections I cannot be certain--still I'm pretty sure. Thanks again, The Sons of Freedom faction sounds pretty interesting--and I'd love to meet the two old ladies that are still carrying the torch..................Travis

Name: mother earth
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Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Yes, it is Owsley the one. i emember living at a commune in Novato Califorina. Olompali. Bear would come and test his recipes. joy to the world. one time the recipe was off and everyone got the psychedelic weepies. fortunately i was in sf and came back to the commune after everyone had ingested. they were well into it. owsley was sitting on a hill, observing, commenting, scratch that recipe.

i havent taken acid in years. someone commented that there just isn't any around. and that set me wondering. are some of the chemists rotting in jail? I'd heard of 20 year jail terms for lsd.

the only bad trip i ever had out of about 400 was one that was cut with speed. why would anyone except a greedy one cut acid with speed!!! Owsley never would. his work was pure.

Bear, wherever you are, THANKS!!!

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress: ps michael
Date: 31 Jan 2003

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...I do agree with him completely about television. I wrote an essay on that my self once...I believe it is the single most reason for the break down of the american family...that and fast foods.

I like your image of the rapturers all flying off the planet at once...

Name: Mark
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Nik,

Did I read you're intending on coming west sometime? Or am I mixing up messages?

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Michael, no no the sorry was because I kept posting...and yes the acid guy...I agree with you 10,000,000 percent I was just fascinated to see some one like him have that mind set about the environment and thought possibly he knew something I hadn't heard about...and I keep an open mind...that's precisely why I asked for anothers opinion...thank you for that Michael...it helped...Nicole

Name: Michael
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Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Nicole,

In my post yesterday about the Owlsey essays (this is Owsley the acid guy?), I didn't mean to come across as arrogant towards you or an expert, if that's what prompted your "sorry". I just got a little steamed at his writing, ok pissed off. For reasons I don't understand, conservatives and some Christians seem to believe concerned talk of issues like global warming, pollution, and wilderness preservation is a left wing pagan plot to dismantle the industrial world. Well, there might be some truth in that, but it's not a plot. I can't in any way see how going on the way we are, and preserving the energy rich life Americans love to get fat in, will ever be the right thing to do. I do think it is delusion or lies to say things are fine, there is nothing harmful in continuing to live this way. There seems to be fierce faith that their god meant for us to use the resources and life of the planet in any way we see fit. I'm waiting for the fundamentalists to be beamed up in Rapture and leave the rest of us the hell alone. There is also a naive belief that technological fixes will always make life better and that hands off free market capitalism is the only way to get there. I think Owsley's essays, whatever his point of view (sort of libertarian, I guess from his other essays) only feed into the we are not responsible and there is no problem mindset that keeps everything in place. Maybe he didn't say all this and I'm expanding on his themes, but I really don't get it. I'm sorry if this may be a little too much us vs. them and apologize in advance to Rapture loving people everywhere. Again, these are my opinions, probably not much different from your own. I'm not always like this.

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress: writenow@spiritone.com
Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Back for a flash - Mark! I didn't know about your paintings - I am nearly out the door but wanted to ask before I leave - please drop me a note at my e-mail address (above) about this (details?) - and, do you have any work online that I can see? Tx...back late Sunday night from a short hop. My gallery rep is in the City (Vorpal) and if you are ever in the neighborhood (Grove St.) - stop in and have Muldoon dig my work out of the closet = I am sure the work needs dusting off! - AsEverHammond

Name: Mark
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Joe,

I am thankfully unemployed. My last occupation, I finished up a couple of years ago, was shop foreman/service tech for a service department at a local car dealership. My time is divided now between working with Planet Drum Foundation, painting (oil on canvas) and domestic servant/father/fixer of all things broken,cook and laundry person, etc. I gave up the emergency room stuff (xray tech) around 1993.

Name: Tom Diaz
EmailAddress: tomas@laurelrose.com
Date: 31 Jan 2003

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I took a hint by reading Eric's posting about search engines.

I have added search engines to the Morningstar/Wheelers Newsletter (MOST) that was created by Ramon Sender. I have also added search engines to the Morningstar/Wheelers (MOST) Photo Scrapbook that was created by Coyote and all the friends of Morningstar. These search engines may make it easer to find folks that you knew at Morningstar and Wheelers. Photos are updated as they come in. I try to get them up the same day they arrive at the web site. If you have any photos that you would like to post, send them to us plus a brief history of your stay at Morningstar/Wheelers Ranch.

MOST: http://www.ic.org/morningstar/home.html MOST PHOTOS: http://www.laurelrose.com/

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Hi and bye - leaving town for a the week-end. I am sure I will have much to catch up on come Monday! Peace and well being to all.

Name: qwd
EmailAddress: qwd@wef.wef
Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Name: Joe
EmailAddress:
Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Steve where do you see sunshine? Its been cloudy since October. By the way I think that Travis has been playing you people like marionettes....hes getting the reaction that he wants. Mark what kind of work do you do?

Name: Private Krankenversicherung Vergleich
EmailAddress: holger@private-krankenversicherung-leistungen.de
Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Name: Ohio girl
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Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Tell that furnace elf to quit working so hard, I'm going to have an astronomical heating bill for January.

Name: are
EmailAddress: vivid
Date: 31 Jan 2003

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Our lifestyle is our demonstration.

Name: Silent Steve
EmailAddress: silentsteveboyd@hotmail.com
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Ming my man: Now that's a sign! Having failed my glitch search and destroy mission; I'm going to ride off into the sunset (sunshine) and assume the life actor roll for which I was born: Lead Forman of the Super Human Crew. My talents are wasted here..hell,..I may even complete The Purple Boy's Unfinished Symphony. If anyone wants to know, (sure steve).. I will be in my twelfth house Rec Room mind-melding with the furnace motor piss elf. We both feel that we deserve one another. Hey, Travis...you won the game. (but you knew that) Final Score...Mother Fuckers: Two / Olema People: One percent. Hey,..will the last person to leave the Digger Web Site please turn out the light. P.S. Travis.. if yer' smart you will never post here again. (that way they will think that you were me.) wink, wink, nudge, nudge. This was a terrible experience,..I think.

Name: Professor Ming
EmailAddress: ministerially
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Having just attempted to read the last day's posts...my considered opinion is -- Just chill, ya'll. Only way we can do anything good is from physical & mental well-being. Let's clear the air and quit sweating the small stuff.

It's Chinese New Year coming up -- sat. 1st Feb or maybe mon. 3rd Feb., depends who you believe...in any case, a new energy cycle coming up, & new opportunities.

Just ditch the glitches & connect with the long-time sunshine.

If this message is for you, you will know what I mean.

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Mark - Thanks mate and so pleased you enjoyed the read. Great that you could visualize Asilah - though sorry your trip was stressful and dark like mine - hassling with first wives. I guess I like to think that the rest of my life has had its interesting ups and downs *(hence a second book) - but really nothing since compares in intensity to those times in North Africa. - and Eileen - I must add - that though I loved my psychedelics in my youth and braved the unknown quantity of the balanced and unbalanced mind without what one would call a "bad trip" I certainly don't encourage anyone in this direction. I guess I thought of myself as a daring test pilot with a large curiosity quotient who hung out with dealers and chemists when the drugs were still pure and simple.... sort of...... I don't mean to make excuses - just trying to clarify my current positon on the past. Hindsight being 20/20 I would probably do it and dose it all over again. Thank goodness i dont have an addictive personality - I would never have made the cut.

Name: Silent Steve
EmailAddress: silentsteveboyd@hotmail
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Wall Murral proceeding OK. Miz Nancy renamed it. Hey...get this. The fuckin' Red Chineese officials executed Lobsang Dhondup on Jan. 26th. For a photo and a brief obituary, check out www.tibet.net/flash Tserang Dondrup and other political prisoners in the case have been badly burned with hot oil and continue to withstand torture. The Red Chineese continue their illegal and brutal occupation of Tibet and oppress, torture and murder as the world sits back and watches. P.S. Hey Travis, while yer busy scarfing up yer old posts, how about reprinting my answers to them? Other wise; your' sellin' half of the story. Is that the Mother Fucker way? Huuummm.. Oh, by the way, I just caught the drift that you aint bein' too damn truthfull. Remember the word "Rightious"???...that seems to be what seperates an M.F. from an Olema Man. Then and now. Olema People= Rightious. MF's= Self Rightious. You are one Provential Cat. Opps..I mean Fed.

Name: Eric
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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For anyone interested in more than the tidbits commonly available on the Web about the Sons of Freedom faction of the Doukhobors, here's an interesting article:

http://www.globalhemp.com/Archives/Magazines/high_noon.shtml

Name: Eric
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Mark --

The Euro Dollar/Indy Media article looks great. Thanks for uploading it to the FCN page. That page was created with the intent of allowing anyone to become a free speech publisher.

Name: Mark Hebard
EmailAddress: wecandothis@stopthebushmaster.com
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Hammond,

I finished your book this afternoon. Great reading. I had the negative experience of driving around Morroco and Spain in 78 with my now long divorced first wife. We were divorcing en route so to speak, fighting like cats and dogs all the way. Taking the car ferry from Algeciras to Ceuta and then crossing the Moroccan border were particularly nightmarish and surreal at times. Afer driving up and down the coast through Asilah, spending nights in the hotels in downtown Rabat, I finally retreated to Lagos on southern tip of Portugal to drink and eat beef steaks at a restaurant owned by Australians served by a lovely British waitress who moonlighted as nurse at the local hospital. Your book took me to places and extremes that my life only touched on. The reading was easy, relaxed but smooth and rich in color. I like that. Your descriptions of life in Amsterdam and Morocco will stay with me for a while. Thanks.

Name: Eric
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Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Travis --

I've been trying to recollect all day and I think the group you were thinking of is the Doukhobors in Canada. Hundreds of the Sons of Freedom faction of the Doukhobors camped out and lived for 10 years by the gates of the Agassiz Prison in solidarity with their imprisoned brothers and sisters.

What I don't recall is whether Peter Berg visited this encampment as part of the cross-country caravan in 1971 when he was filming video of the various communes they visited. It sounds very reminiscent.

Name: McMingus
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Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Ohio Girl -- Many Thanks for your post a few back. Health is our most precious possession, too important to trust to anything but our own best judgement. I.e. conventional medicine is useful, with all the lab tests, etc. But it's not the whole story. The info is out there if you dig for it. Keep it up, Girl !

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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sorry...thank you Michael ...it was the three parts that had me going HUH??? He knows how to present an arguement...for a minute I was thinking all these cars and suv's was a good thing...yikes!

Name: Visualize
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Visualize World Peace

Name: Michael
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Nichole,

I scanned those articles. Ok, I didn't read every word, but I have an opinion anyway. He has some interesting and nasty projections about what will happen. In the late 70s I helped with some interviews for KPFA about a book "The Cooling" by Lowell Ponte. His contention was that we were, and are, heading into another ice age. He described long term cycles and forces the planet goes through, some lasting hundreds of thousands of years involving things like the change of the tilt of the Earth's rotational axis, change in eccentricity of the Earth's orbit, the cycle of the magnetic field. These all affect climate. And, he said, when an ice age starts, glaciation happens relatively quickly, decades, not centuries, but this does not mean we are on the brink of advancing ice sheets.

At the same time, there were people, even then, who said the opposite was happening, we are headed into a warmer period due to human activities and natural cycles. But I think his essay is just a dark story guaranteed to cause wailing and gnashing of teeth.

People do pick and choose what they want from these things to suit their own agendas. But, I think there is little question that the huge release of CO2 into the atmosphere along with other gasses like methane do, and will, have a major influence on what's to come for the near future. There may be other cycles and forces, but because they exist does not mean there is no point in changing our ways and there is no reason to believe our personal and collective actions have only a miniscule effect. That's a load of crap.

When he says things like "the greenhouse effect is a myth", the ozone hole is a myth, cars causing smog is a myth, I'm gone. Science and scientists aren't the only, or maybe the best way to know the world, but I believe enough of the data and my own experience to say that he is deluded. This is the kind of thing right wing people just love. It releases humans from any worries about consequences of personal and corporate action. Keep those SUVs humming, put what you want in the atmosphere, it's all out of our hands.

Name: Mark
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Eric,

You might need to edit the article I forwarded to the FCN site somehow. I am not sure of the protocol. Thanks.

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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My last one I promise...the Myths in Modern times on Bears site is the one to read...till tomorrow

Name: Mark
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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I just recieved an article through Coyote's list revealing the role of the Euro, oil , and the world economy that puts another chill in the spine. I just put it up on the Free City News page. Take a look, man this is bad!

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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r n a - Tx for the link. NIcole - I just read the essays - and what can I add - except to say that Bear is very intelligent - clear and astute in what he says on the meltdown. Scary isn't it?

Name: Ohio girl
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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I love this web site and what everyone has to say. I'd like to say something about health, because most of us are in the same boat age-wise. When I was really sick last December from hepatitis C and from having just started the treatment, we were driving down the freeway one day and ACDC came on the radio, belting out one of their anthems. I got extremely sad, the tears streaming out of your eyes type of sadness. I thought, I will never be young and healthy like that again, not ever again. Well guess what I feel pretty excellent right now, as the treatment side effects wear off. No I'll never be young again but I feel kinda young, with a mental and physical vitality that had been lacking for years. I forgot it was possible to feel this good. I would take the interferon and ribavirin again if I had to, to feel this way, not to mention avoiding any consequences of advanced liver disease. Hopefully with care and self-help and just a little luck that won't be necessary. But what I want to say is, if you don't feel right, please don't assume it's just because you are a little older now. Ill-health is not caused by old age per se, it is caused by a specific problem or illness that came along with the advancing years. (It's true, I learned it in nurse aide training!!) If you identify the problem you might very well be able to solve it. Whether you solve it by going to a doctor, or through more natural methods, that's an individual matter. Also, any illness clues us in that it's time to learn about nutrition or exercise or whatever it is we aren't doing to maintain good health, so it's possible to end up healthier even if you find out you have something chronic. Peace and good health to you, and love. You all really make me feel good.

Name: rena
EmailAddress: poetry in motion
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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A White House symposium on the poetry of Emily Dickinson, Langston Hughes and Walt Whitman hosted by First Lady Laura Bush has been canceled because some poets were thinking of protesting the war. Free speech be damned, Mrs. Bush didn’t feel it was appropriate for people to use this White House event to express their views. Connecticut’s radical poet laureate was planning to wear a scarf with peace signs on it. Poets can be so dangerous.

from The Daily Enron http://www.thedailyenron.com http://www.thedailyenron.com/documents/20030130110023-60248.asp

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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E, you know I mean WEST...

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Hammond, on yahoo! news...to quote By HILLEL ITALIE, AP National Writer NEW YORK - The White House said Wednesday it postponed a poetry symposium because of concerns that the event would be politicized. Some poets had said they wanted to protest military action against Iraq.

The symposium on the poetry of Emily Dickinson, Langston Hughes and Walt Whitman was scheduled for Feb. 12. No future date has been announced.

"While Mrs. Bush respects the right of all Americans to express their opinions, she, too, has opinions and believes it would be inappropriate to turn a literary event into a political forum." Noelia Rodriguez, spokeswoman for first lady Laura Bush, said Wednesday.

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Hi All, I came upon a rather radical view of some of our enviromental concerns today. I need some one to read it and tell me he's wrong...he sounds like he knows what he's talking about...but I'm easily convinced and confused for that matter...but after reading about the shipping lines my conspiritorial mind started dancing...could they have been plotting...oh jaysus...I swear I'm not normally so suspicious...I need a vacation...the site is Bear's (you know owsley)it's www.thebear.org under the essay page...and the two essays are Ice age: causes of glaciation and Modern Myths Please some one take a minute and help me out here. Could there be truth here ?

btw Eileen, You know Jeramiah gets out March 24...he's just above Santa Barbara now and I'll be coming east shortly there after...I hope I can come and see you...

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Nicole - Where did you read this? I guess Laura won't be reading the two poems I sent to the guy - including this one:

The last ground zero (re) calling an endangered species running the planet on diplomatic sand

1.25 billion roused and more to waken and warn the world to act before the mourn

Unable to comprehend the horrific Black Rain skin melting now the hibakusha can never forget.

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Remember the request from the poet the other day about sending poetic protests to the white house ...well it was just announced the White House canceled the poetry symposium because it was afraid it would be politicized due to poets expressing concern of impending war with Iraq...the bastards.

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Mark - My nursing years were spent in Santa Barbara and San Diego.

Name: PS - Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Eileen - I call the technique you mention re: "word fling and bringing words to my experience" - 'compressive writing' - a method of my own design largely influenced by Neal Cassady and Burroughs.-H.

Name: Mark
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Hammond,

Did you do your nursing in the Bay Area? I did time as a radiology tech during those years CT, Angios, Xray and trauma team stuff. Mostly at VMC in San Jose and in Santa Cruz.

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Mark - tx. for passing the link along - and as before I know it won't be new info overall to PD - but for me the idea that this is somehow considered to be a "good thing" for the shipping industry really rattled my cage. H.

Name: Mark
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Hammond,

I provided a link for Berg as I am not sure whether he has this article or not. We are on a marathon of sorts getting all of our files, correspondences and statements together regarding Planet Drum's meeting with the International Olympic Committee in Lausanne, Switzerland and the Turin Olympic Committee in Italy beginning late next week. Kind of nuts here for now. Check out Planet Drum's website if your interested in what Berg has been doing about the Olympic environmental debacles. I have about 15 pages left to read in your book, the picture Eileen mentioned is staring at me from the desk next to my computer.

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Eileen - !!!! (taking a breath to myself) - Yes I have been aware of the melting cap (tears on the desk worldwide) - but have not seen it put into the context of new shipping lanes - and the projection of 2080 as the year it dissappears was scary. Now to the !!! (taking a second gulp of breath to myself). Thank you for taking the time to read the book - and for so kindly commenting on my style of phrase. As a writer how could I not be flattered? Yes - admittedly I am luckly to be alive and well considering the variety of psychedelics I ingested - at least once. But unlike so many of my friends and associates I was in fact moderate by comparison. I was more of a conscious "user" vsl the unconscious "abuser" - (a thin like to tread I grant you.) I used to shudder when I would visit the Haight during the very "dark daze" - with people shooting acid and smack just to get out of bed in the morning. And then - I also had plenty of time to heal up with (at the time) a good partner in life and a direction to follow. And, excepting one more (ahem...) speed interlude in the early 80s (SF) - by 1971 my "anonymic drug" experimentation (LSD-STP etal) had narrowed itself to the considerate use of cannnibis products, an ultra healthy diet, a budding Buddhism in my heart, an artistic direction in mind, and I have never been a boozer - thus my liver is just fine. Of course most all of my old friends are regrettably dead.

The 'beat' bit is my publisher's doing - as you may know they have the final say on the title of your book and legally could have called it whatever they wanted. - anyway - no, I do not consider myself a "BEAT" but I do consider myself 'beat' as in the original focus of the term as in 'beaten down' - and perhaps 'beatific' 'beatitude' etalia along with the noted Beats I came to meet or know well - E.g. Burroughs was responsible for my first publication so there is some liniage connection from my own trek to theirs and of course as agents of influence - as people and writers. I wanted the title to be read: "AsEverWas" - Journies in the Just After Beat - the publisher's went with "Beat" and I convinced them to use a lower case b at the least. And in closing - yes I suppose I am full of impish mischief - though less so as my bones age.

All this aside - I am so pleased to have seemingly written an entertaining read. The follow-up to this - "Biopathic Tendencies 1976-1992)" is a very different tale - as following "AsEverWas" and my return to the states I became an emergency room/trauma team triage nurse - hows that for jumping into the unknown?

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Hey Folks~Sorry about all the seperate posts. This is one of those days it's like shopping at the grocery store and having to keep coming back for one more item.

IMAM~I'm flattered with the negotiatior tag, but I do not intend to be speaking for anyone else here. OK?

Also to let everyone know Ariel and her sweet man will be here for a few days and I may not post for a day or so. Just want to let you know what's up and that my silence is not silence but absence.

Name: Tom Diaz
EmailAddress: tomas@laurelrose.com
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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I am always looking, I am never quite sure. My mind goes up and my mind goes down. I know that the world needs a comfortable blanket but I am always reaching for the covers that has left my mind. I realize that I talk in circles to no one in particular. I always want to make the bond with another human but I am a loner with a thick skin. My words are always brief and sometimes cutting. Sometimes I erase a thought knowing that it makes no sence in this envirnment. My mind will always be with the minds that taught me to be free, to listen and understand the grumbles and vague solutions. My mind melds with what we call the vibes of the sixties though they are now the vibes of the new century. We are closer to the world and it's feeling about war than ever before. There are so many directions that we can go but we keep comming back here to the peace that we create on this web site. Take Care of our world, our body and our mind. Tomas

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Nicole~Great quote. Getting answers I have noticed is like taking a butterful apart to see why it is so beautiful and all one ends up with is crumbles of a butterfly. As Dylan said..In time everything will be revealed..somebody said that anyway. It is often my mantra when I feel anxious. That and Nam Myoho Renge Kyo. HA! Without allowing for mystery, boy would life be cold!

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Ohio Girl~

Get the book from Dr Clarks site. The Cure For All Diseases, has been updated and you need that one.

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Hammond~

The melting of the ice caps has been knowledge for awhile now. I started to take an enviornmental oceanography class last yr and ended up with my head on the dest crying (I hate that!). I had to drop the class after the second attempt at going because just in that short 2 days I could not stand what was happening and was being done to the ocean. I was filled with grief and rage. Coral dying at alarming rates or being blasted by Balinese fishermen(?) dynamiting fish..would you believe? Or the battle between the US an other counties as to who gets mining rights and to figure out how to develope the ability to mine the rift valley fissures. (let's not forget what all the mining areas in the US look like) Or the sonic booms that are used within the ocean floor that are making whales and dolfins beach. How about the toxins, neuclear waste and sewage that gets dumped. The list is horribly long. The ocean is no longer sacred or safe. I would imagine Peter is up on this as well. If you want to disturb yourself further, check out Greenpeace's site:

http://www.greenpeace.org/homepage/

Hammond! I'm reading your book. We're still speeding through LA. You have the most unique way of bringing your words to your experience. I really lack the words to tell anyone else how you write but I have never come across anything like it. I read in bed last night and regretted when I couldn't stay awake any longer. It's one of those books you try to get everything else done so you can get back to it. Not to mention some of your phrasing made me laugh and read it over several times to laugh again.

This is a strangely dark book for me..at least so far. The way you can in a sentence fling words that make me just cringe at the experience that I have hear is not unusual to the male world that are so brutal yet matter of fact. Coving your childhood that stands out starkly with almost a sweep of your hand. God I'm glad I didn't have sons! Better yet I'm glad I didn't grow up in that time in history as a boy..it was hard enough being female. The one outstanding thought that kept going through my mind when taking a break to do the dishes was..it is said we only use a small portion of our brain (cells?). It's a good thing to know we have so much potiential untapped..otherwise I am sure you would be brain dead from all the chemicals you consumed. You are walking proof we have a lot of brain left over. HA! You may even be above and beyond any of us and some other entire being preserved in a concoction of drugs that somehow created a whole new creature! I'm impressed you can still think! I do have one question though. How do you call yourself a Beat?

And PS The picture of you now..you look very impish..full of delightful mischief. That is not what I would have expected. I am quite anxious to get back into this book and find out how you got there!

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Just came across this quote by KK and thought it somehow appropriate.

"The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer-- they think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer."

-- Ken Kesey

Name: Ohio girl
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Nelson Mandela, still awesome after all these years. Wow!

Eileen I got my milk thistle and am getting the book (trying first to get it on E-bay) to at least check it out. Thanks for all you've said. The mainstream medicine for all its drawbacks has done undeniable wonders for me, however, I can't just sit around for 2 months waiting on the final results of how permanent a cure I ended up with. Yes, it's time to make sure I'm healthy. Peace to everyone

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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This link will take you (FYI) to an article from today's Reuters service regarding the potential future of the polar ice cap that I find very disturbing. Mark - please pass this along to PB/PD. Comments?

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=TG0YBV3FASMM2CRBAELCFEY?type=ourWorldNews&storyID=2133689

Name: IMAM
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Eileen is the negotiatior - the common ground of truth in search of honesty. Travis/curious never mind the cut/paste feature - we all have it. Use it sparingly - just like your blather and e-missions to Steve. Cut to the chase and be straight - no one is playing "Clue" with you. We all have plenty to read from the OpEd Newspeak Department.-Get back to common ground. Go agitate the fundamentalists if this is your game - I only play GO!- IMAM-Suspect

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Oh God, T enough of the cut and paste. We read it already. In fact I have another evening to go to finish rereading your past stuff looking for something you said that's chewing at the back of my head. BTW Coyote was not impressed and advised "cut it off". Which is likely to mean he doesn't remember you and if I am feeling uncomfortable about you not get involved. (Yes you could say I know his mind and that was likely not the worst of it.)With that said, he also said the same about Steve (and ragged on about people taking things almost verbatum out of his book and then using that to claim connection etc etc etc) and I ignored him, because I just had a sense Steve was the real deal. Even at his worst Steve is and always has been very present for me and we have become, I can say, good friends. Oddly whenever you show up he starts having problems with weird email attacks and unfriendly mail. That may be another one of those coincidences, but my back is up and I feel protective of him. Sorry but it can't be helped. It may have nothing to do with you. But I don't know that yet since this Rosie issue has not been in the least settled to my satisfaction. Hey I may well be giving you more credit for "intelligence" than is due if you are just now learning to cut and paste! But right now you're the boogy man and it's going to take something more than a phone call to gain my trust.

I take what I do and say here as seriously as I would if I were face to face with anyone here. When I communicate it is not a game for me. I am not sparring or trying to be more clever. I am doing my best to not misrepresent myself, otherwise I create something here I don't want to come back to. The written word is great (and sometimes not so great) in that it isn't forgotten as easily as a spoken conversation. So what I'm saying is said with thought, and then some. I do not take facelessness as a mask I can play behind to say things I normally would not do face to face.

In all honesty, it is my nature to trust. I do not like to hold people off. But in this case I am going to just stand back and let our work be done here on this board. Picture me in the room standing back listening and watching, acting like I'm sweeping the floor or something. If you stick around I will find out what I need to know. I'm not shutting you off, but I'm also not ready for hugs..nor phone calls. I need some time and I need to see how you treat my friends. As I said, you did not enter as a friend does, so I wait. It's the most I can offer at this time.

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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In 1965 I worked at St Terese Hospital in Waukengan Illinois on the surgical floor...a contingent of gypsies were traveling through the area when the head man became ill and required surgery...well, they all came...and I mean ALL, they camped inside, outside and be-side the place...we had about 25 at all times on our floor and another 30 or 40 in the hospital lobby...caravans in the parking lot (air streams) and they were not havin it when the head of the hopital told them to leave...I suppose the staff figured it would be too much of a fight because they did stay for about 2 weeks...stick together-ness for sure.

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: poets corner
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Eileen, try reading this again, and let some of the mystery fall away:Name: curious is as curious does E-mail Address: on the battleship Potempkin Date: 19 Oct 2002

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Middlemouse: Then come to me and speak long of Freedom; With facts double dribble and trip; Your credibility's been, stretched a bit thin; in the eyes of your friends and the courts. O' recount the haze of those glorious days, when you counted yourself twice as hip; and fought everyday, against 'em when they, proffered bullshit for wisdom and wit. Good Cheer, Middlemouse, you might be a louse, But I still hold you somewhat in awe; I will give you this, you took the best piss, 'gainst the wind that I ever saw; and you carried around fears, that crippled your tears, That I couln't and wouldn't 'ave, by God. Were you just a man, or just timid, my friend; or were you just the poor middle clause, in a contract renewed, socially speaking, abjured, from "nobless oblige" as it passed; or were you the cause, or were they just flaws; will this crime cover crimes of the past? Then come to me and speak long of Freedom; With Facts double dribble and trip; Your credibility's been, stretched a bit thin, in the eyes of your friends and the courts; Will you weep deep in sin, kiss ass and make friends, in the Hall of the King of the Torts? O' was it a crime, the day that you dined, with us on the food of the gods; will our legal entitlements, taken in toto, make sum on a par with that grace; when the walls fell away, and the boundaries lay, in Love, which you met face to face? Will the bookmakers give us full odds, d'you suppose; "?Quien sabes?," they say, or they just say, "God knows!" Will the Law make of our lives, but useless arrangements, of parcels, and payments, and paroles; Will arrangements be made to allow us to live in the land of Amerika's proles. With things as they are will you drive us still farther; to the threshold of full Civil War? Be Advised, motherfucker, when you come for my kids, there won't be any holds barred. Will you seek to create, a morale of hate; let hate then flourish and rule; and expect it of us, to adjust, or give in, or collectively act the Fool. Will you live as you please, in comfort and ease, is it too bitter to swallow, my friend; Will it come near the end, that we'll just need a friend on the Regent's Committee of Fate? Will Dick Nixon, one day, come to be laid, in the tomb of our greatest statesmen; and will this fair ruse, leave the queers quite amused, by this boldly sold short Tricky Dictum; What will Gerald Ford be, but a tick on the flea, that George Bush bedded down with for years; In the newsreel they may, erase just one day in the life of Tianemen Square; With the newsstands sold out, will there be any doubt, that Fidel is still Man of the Year? O' Fair Middlemouse, are you middle-classed out, are your whiskers immersed in your beer; Will the words ere ring out, that you used to shout, "We hold these truths to be self evident..",Is your nightmare at end, or beginning? Yes, Fair Middlemouse, are you middle-classed out, is your condo just right, or just wrong; Are your streets safe to walk, are your parks safe to talk; do you care, do you read, do you hear? Must you always one up, and doing so, always, Take two steps down to the rear; Will your new summer home, near completion on Mars, look lovlelier this time next year? Can you double the Third World Debt, just once more; Will the Germans, united, play fair; Will the Japanese end up owning the land, that our forefathers stole free and clear? Will Shere Hite convince you, that when you're unfaithful, you'll really just be fitting in; Did you really need her, to tell you that, are you dense as well as dim? Then farewell, Middlemouse, you've got plans to be set; since you've tripled the national debt, there's no doubt, you just haven't time for regrets; Restructuring greed's, your principal need, and side-noting, the Grandkids, I bet. @Randolph T. Carley All rights reserved. One Time Use Granted........Travis

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: Ozona, Tx
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Mark, I'm mostly playin' with my new toy, the cut and the paste. Although I brought a couple of entries forward, because the are cogent to current discussion, it is only a device to bring them back into collective view and after a couple of days will no longer be needful, at which time I wouldn't feel offended it you deleted them, because, they are already archived. You once mused that the coalition groups didn't have their positions clearly enough defined to even be pissed off at each other. Do you thinks that true of us?...............Travis.........and Eileen claims I'm no fun........There's a chuckle in there somewhere..........T

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: salvage off the gold coast
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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I wonder if you remember this entry as well: Name: curious is as curious does E-mail Address: somewhere in the briar patch, brer fox Date: 24 Oct 2002

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Mark, I felt as though you were welcoming me back to the fight, it felt good. I agree that if two of us cannot find reasonable definition of the issues, then organizing a third, et. al. is probably out of the question. Preaching by any of us to the choir won't build the kind of broad based coalition needed to bring this business to a halt. Those issues may not gather enough momentum, as a sad commentary on the political past, until the body bags start piling up in the American heartland. The great urban centers, though more visible, are also the places where the pace of life is most frenetic, and unfortunately, more apathetic in nature. I could be wrong here, but when that change begins to really sober the face of America, we're going to need an analysis built out of consensus. Grass roots change is the only way that I can see that is ultimately persuasive to and through action. Not the elitism of small and isolated inteligentsia which was the hallmark of both motherfucker and Digger families. Furthermore, the kind of threat making belicosity Steve is exploring, persuades only those seduced easily, because they are new to the struggle. Motherfucker politics, simply stated, was to stand in between the knife and the broken beer bottle, to end fighting among those who we then described as warriors of the rainbow, in order to free ourselves for the united resistance to the man, whose chief means, as always, is to divide and conquer.Eileen has always been a mender of broken people, perhaps the best at it that I ever saw. It is ridiculous ( I risk being insensitive) of her to abjure at the level of some sort of personal tiff with me. I trust her instincts, note her heartache, and wish this whole damned fight weren't coming our way, but I think it inevitable. It is one thing for us to have put our bodies in the line of fire, these years past; but, it is quite another matter, as Steve rightly does point out to see our children be proposed as the cannon fodder. If it is war they want, in-order to accomplish their quest for world domination, then the Draft cannot be far behind. That Eileen is somehow vulnerable, or particularly at low ebb and especially vulnerable to criticism right now, is something that I admit I had not really been sensitive to, anywhere near my ideal of the sensitivity to which she is entitled. Her track record, to be sure, is long and illustrious. If I have wronged her, I plead only ignorance and stupidity--I have enough of that to last a few lifetimes, if you believe in that sort of thing. My attempt was to keep the lines of communication well grounded in demonstrable fact. I grant you that much of life is illusion...and gathered on the porch at Olema I can still remember singing, in rounds,"row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream...merrily, merrily, merrily , merrily, life is but a dream." Bye for now...Travis.......................

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: somewhere down that crazy river
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Ohio Girl, I never really got to converse much with Peter Berg at Black Bear, but I was told that he had ( and this is a tenuous memory at best in the details,but) I believed made a documentary film about the Gypsies in Canada, who when one or some of their people had been , I think imprisoned, all began to camp on the grounds, awaiting their peoples' release. It may have been a provincial facility or something of the like. The point is that they went there to secure a release, and were prepared and in fact were camping "Till hell freezes over" (my words) and had both the temerity to do so and the tencaity to stay where they were, until a solution could be found. Pretty far out--I hope I got even a little bit of this right, there should be people here who can supplement my poor rememberance...................Travis

Name: curioius is as curious does
EmailAddress: full circle
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Do you remember this entry: From: silent not silenced\re: Terminal Velocity Date: 7/17/01 Time: 6:49:14 AM Remote Name: 208.187.61.180

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what one offers here as comment is truly not exactly responsive-- Say rather a firefly, flicker, a glimmer. Call it if you will a benediction for the anarchist's sampler: The lesson might well be that FREE FIRE is for everyone that desires it--much like(as you will remember it), " The quality of mercy is not strain'd it droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven upon the place beneath: it is twice blest; it blesses him that gives and him that takes: 'Tis mightiest in the mightiest: it beomes the throned monarch better than his crown;His sceptre shows the force of temporal power, the attribute to awe and majesty, wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings; but mercy is above this sceptred sway; it is enthroned in the hearts of kings, it is an attribute to God himself; and earthly power doth then show likest God's when mercy tempers justice." .........who else but The Bard...............Travis

Name: Ohio girl
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Don't know very much about Quakers. There are alot of Amish people however in central Ohio and they do protest society in their own unique way. They don't want "English" education or sewage systems or safety lights on their horsedrawn buggies etc. They go to court over these things and when one of them goes to court, they all go to court. The entire courthouse will be filled with hundreds of silent men and women in blue and black home-sewn clothing. It's really quite impressive.

Name: Curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: liberation row
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Eileen, yes I have a new toy, I finally learned how to cut and paste, so excerpting becomes much easier, as long as I can find the relevant information on the web. Original thought still requires typing, what a drag..............Travis........as well as quoting from materials that are out of print........which is even more of a drag............T

Name: Big Mac
EmailAddress: O'Fergus
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Silent Steve the Samurai -- Move to Florida ??? There would have to be some dangerous money to be made, for me to get involved in such a proposition. Both FLA & LA scare the bejesus out of me...I'm a country boy

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: the wasteland
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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mark, here is an excerpt from Daniel Ellsberg, the entirety of which resides at Free City News...5. What kind of scenario do you envision: what kind of weapons will be used, will there be urban warfare? Some military strategists talk about a 'cakewalk.' Are they underestimating the Iraqi forces?

I think I've just answered this above, pretty adequately. I will add only that I fear there is a significant chance (2% would be significant, and I think it is well above that) that the US will use nuclear weapons at some point: in response to nerve gas, or (to set a precedent for the future, with an apparently "legitimate" and "limited" use) against "deep underground bunkers for production or storage of chemical or biological weapons" or for black-out effects on command and control (high-altitude low-yield bursts). ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Travis

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: Camp Perry
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Ohio Girl, Greetings, Let me toss this out and see what you think about it. One of the most effective demonstrations I ever heard of involved the Quakers, or "Friends", coducting a sit in within an IRS Regional Center. They are some of the people that taught me the effectiveness of putting your body where your politics are. I think the time will come very soon that similar tactics will need to be employed against the war. If Congress won't cut the purse strings maybe the people can........Travis

Name: Ohio girl
EmailAddress:
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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We lived just outside Athens on Alderman Road, the little road between the 32 Club and the Big Elm (everything you ever needed was on Alderman Road, two bars and a cemetery). This was 1973 to 1986. Miller's Chicken was outstanding. The river had already been diverted but people would show me in their living rooms, how high up the water had used to come. We did have a few interesting floods, I've got pictures of the kids admiring the floodwaters at the end of Alderman, on Rt. 13. We'd spend hours watching cars and trucks splash through the water. You practically get culture shock when you go north because of the way the hills flatten out. My husband's family is in Jackson and we go down there alot. Driving around there recently in the hills we came across a sign that said "Are You Prepared to Meet God?" and right after the sign was a huge hairpin curve on a steep hill. It was hard to spot the tiny church behind that sign and so it looked like the sign was a warning about the road. Woke me up! There's no bluegrass music like the bluegrass we heard in of the little churches down there.

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: pony express
Date: 30 Jan 2003

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Eileen, am on the line, please check your email--I think I figured it out. Mark, when people get told that a question surrounding the use of limited tactical nuclear weapons is stupid, they have difficulty in removing themselves from feeling as though you have called them stupid--and what you get by way of response is likely to run a little toward the negative--but as an old USAf trainer, you probably realized it and hoped I wouldn't take offence--you were wrong. Now shall we meet in the middle and shake hands, I'm willing if you are.............Travis

Name: Eric
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Ohio Girl --

I grew up about an hour or two from Piketon -- in Athens. The town was surrounded on three sides by the Hocking River and every spring there would be a flood. Inevitable natural planetary occurrence. The flood would separate the city folk from the country folk. Everyone would go down to the edge of the flood waters and gaze across to the opposite side where similar groups of stranded residents would be gazing back. One time, early 60s, we drove down and there was a traffic jam of gawkers driving as far as possible until the flood waters prevented further access, then turning around and driving back. We were stuck in the traffic and the car's windows were down. The car opposite ours had several young college students (Athens is home of OU). One long-haired woman in her best Beatnik imitation shouted, "Checkin' out the river, man!" I've remembered that incident for 40 years! Still get a chuckle.

Mark --

Southern Ohio is VERY different than the northern portion. About 2/3 the way south is the terminal moraine, where the glaciers stopped and dropped their flotsam and jetsam debris field. Still visible today. North of that, the glaciers flattened everything. South of that line are the foothills of the Appalachians. Beautiful hill country.

Name: Steve
EmailAddress: silentsteveboyd@hotmail.com
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Hey Hammond, the murral is a vibe thing in reference to the French Organ Master, Charles Marie Widor. He was one hell of a keyboard man. I have a collection of The Ten Organ Symphonies (complete), plus a singelo in an odd-ball key. (I'm into more than Jazz). I dont have a record player yet, so, Im' just vibin' on the object. Big Medicine. Yours in Art. SRB

Name: Steve
EmailAddress: nyc
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Hey McMuffin, thanks fer talkin'me into it. Voodoo?..a joke??...man, everything is a joke. I knew a dealer in Miami who protected his wife with Voodoo. Right up untill he paid to have her run down by a car. Broke her damn neck. Thats why she wouldnt live with me in Boston. The northern winters effected her neck. So I moved to FLA. Hell, wouldnt you?..(move to Fla. I mean.)

Name: Silent Steve
EmailAddress: ssb@hm.c
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Hey Uncle Eric; can I be the Site Bouncer??..can I, can I, Huuu???? can I?

Name: Silent Steve
EmailAddress: Diggers New York City
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Hey Fred, thanks for a glimps of the straight world,..now, go sell crazy somewhere else...hey Debbie; up yer' jello-ass fatty.

Name: Steve (Greater Than Ever) Boyd
EmailAddress: silentsteveboyd
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Hey, ya caught me in a good mood. Iv'e consulted with Buckley and done exactly the opposite; so I'm back. He's a good man in a tight corner. He just celebrated his 41st Birthday. Miz Nancy had hers the other night. I gave her a trippy work book of the Kaballa. She smelled it to verify that it was new. (real primal gal)...anyway,..(smellin' a book: Jesus Christ)...All of that wisdom of the ancients may guide her in her boxing lessons. (I suspect that she intends on using her belly dancer moves to hipnotize her opponent)..go figure. The murral on the wall is comming along nicely. In fact, it stinks. So far no word from the Monk or the Nuns. Got to play with little darla today. I distanced myself from the Super Humans and the street folks today...to much reality. I was going to turn you all on to a Menonite sceme which involves sending rice laced letters to the White House demanding that Bush feed the Iraqis, but said fuck it; as the current ("CURRENT")..administration would most likely create a rice bomb to drop on them. (did I already tell you all that?)...Long day. I'm broke and caked in paint. Its the good life. Live it.

Name: d
EmailAddress: dcivey@hotmail.com
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Was just dropping in! Great Site! Help get hits to your site check this out. http://www.1heluva.com/cgi-bin/join.cgi?refer=1852

Name: Mark
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Ohio Girl,

You are definitly not brain dead. I knew it was you. I was only in Cleveland once back 85. Damn cold and flat.

Name: Ohio girl
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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I must be brain dead from the Piketon fallout, that was from me.

Name:
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Ohio is a beautiful state, the Ohio River is deadly toxic and beautiful at the same time. I lived for many years in Southern Ohio about 60 miles downwind of the Piketon weapons-grade nuclear plant (hmm maybe that explains alot) and at one point I read it had been purposely located in an area of low population density. In other words it would be OK to accidentally kill those of us living in Southern Ohio because there were less of us than in Cleveland for example. A guy from Piketon (this was maybe 20 years ago) told me that there were mutant fish and turtles in the streams there but it was being kept quiet. Kind of like in the Simpsons cartoon a few years back but this was for real. The Piketon plant almost closed after many years of giving cancer to its faithful employees, but got a different contract so yes it pays to keep vigilant about nuclear power gaining new respectability while no one is looking. I was thinking about my 1949 World Book Encyclopedia set which has been in the family all these years. I was imagining my folks in 1949 with 2 little babies, and them giving in to a door to door encyclopedia salesman, who promised he had just the thing for a growing family with young children. My parents got their money's worth, this kid is still reading those books!

Name: Mc Mingling
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Steve, for heaven's sake don't cut out. We need street-smarts here.

I tried to tell you's guys my misgivings some several posts back.

Don't want to try to repeat it.

Just a big billboard "Beware of energy vampires, the un-dead"

Don't you realize Voodoo is not a joke ?

Name: Mr. Me
EmailAddress: M.E. Inc
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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OOOPPPSSS!!!,...what our Silent Steve meant to say, was that he was going to "Boydcott" the web sight. (and that aint good).

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress: out on a limb
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Mark, that was nice and clear.

Travis the more I look at the communication here since last night, I am in fact going to contact Coyote and check your credientials. Something is just not setting right with me. I just can't quite believe that Rosie bit as some cosmic co-inkadink. Your rudeness with Mark does not sit well with me. Somethings bothering me..want to tell me what it is?

Name: Steve Boyd
EmailAddress: silentsteveboyd@hotmail.com
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Well, now that we have established that "I am The Free Church" and that "I am The Digger, and that Travis is not really in Texas, (it may take em' awhile to transfer the call Eileen)..lets proceed. Folks I get the drift that "Travis" will make the Uni-Bomber look like a bugger picker. I'm boycotting the site from here on out. What he's sellin', I aint buyin'. Count me out. Oh, Ya Hammond, I cranked out a 10 foot by ten foot wall murral in the front parlor this afternoon. I'm calling it "Widor". I will start on the otherside of the fireplace tonight. Hey, Tex; you and yer' suits feel free to breeze through my E-Mail anytime. It's 98% direct virus' and 2% death threats these days. (but you knew that). Tell us; how long did you mooch off of the Olema People? And were you on the CIA payroll at that time? Your' "Miss Manners" act musta really turned some stomachs. See ya in Church. (I know yer' in town).

Name: Mark
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Travis old pal, you have a way with words. The last post I left for you was as direct as I could make it and I added some questions to further the dialogue. That was the total of my intent.

As far as my politics, they have remained the same but in order to work in my world I kept them to myself and "played along to get along" to keep the family fed and the mortgage payment up. I have no interest in being indirect with you or anyone on the list as it really seems wasteful. Your reference to "apologists" and "lame missives" are insulting. I never apologize for my paradoxical swervings I just admit them. That's just they way I am.

Sorry Travis, this seems like the same bullshit you peddled the last time I reached out to you, trying to give your voice some room here on the list.

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Eileen - I was actually a reagge addict during the mid-70s but fell off the path when so much of it went commercial - Gregory Issacs etal. I was really into the akite drumming of Count Ozzie and Ras Michael and then the "toaster" styles of U-Roy and Big Youth.

Funny you should send me that astrolink - When I moved to Oregon in 92 I rented a room from Rob Brezney's sister. .The Brezney Bunch - This is a funny sort of family reunion - let me tell you.....

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Miranda's watching a great Israel Vibrations interview and music video behind me here. Such great folks and music. Any other reggae fans out there?

Hammond, here's someone else's wisdom I thought you guys might enjoy. He's particularly on this week don't you think?

www.freewillastrology.com

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Thanks Nicole I look forward to the packaged envelope and will send a return care package+ the tape. Something to get you through the frozen nights. Brrrrrrr!

Curious - thanks for your last few notes which help to clarify the air - at the lease we seem to agree on 'the man behind the curtain' and his lack of 'humankind-ness.'

Imam - "common ground" - Yes!

Mr. Me - Are you painting these days?

Eileen - We will miss your daily dose of wisdom - hurry back and god speed.

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Hammond, I just mailed your envelope with some other things for you to check out...very interesting stuff...sort of in keeping with some of todays postings...

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: lost in the ozone again
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Eric, thank you. Your comments were well timed and well placed--and following the vein we find ourselves in this morning a thought bridge of some sort seems to be reaching out.......perhaps if we continue to align ourselves toward our common humanity we can gather strength from our diversity, and bring together everyone needed to map our way through this crisis..............I sure hope so.............Travis

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: still hangin' around Fleet Street
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Nicole, minds so attuned might perform miracles of healing..........and I swear I'm laughing too--what a world we live in...........Travis

Name: Eric
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Travis (Curious?) --

Apologies if my antinuke message seemed as personal vilification. I should know better than that with all the CD/NV trainings I've had. I do feel abhorence toward the nuclear industry (as part of the larger "military industrial complex" that Eisenhower so meekly warned us all about 40+ years ago). It's just hard to separate feelings about the wrong from the person committing it. Not to say that I think you are actively a part of the "machine", you may or may not be, but I shouldn't overlook your basic humanity. We gotta all keep trying to remember that lesson.

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: post dead ahead, Cap'n
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Hammond, that was a really excellent question--I sometimes have to try really hard, to convince myself that who is in the White House is even Human, much less a man............Travis

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

Comments

Travis, you see how funny this can get...there is a restaurant across the street from my apartment...the name of it is...ta da....TORTILLA FLATS !!! By now I think we are all just psychic with eachother...I KNOW YOU ARE NOT SITTING ACROSS FROM MY BUILDING...it's funny though don't you think...I mean funny ha ha...I'm on the floor right now about this. Nik

Name: Hammond
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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My - we are an active bunch today. I will try to sit this one out and wait for the dust to clear. Raining buckets in Portland today - and warm to boot. Cheers to one and all - yes even you curious. But then everyone seems to know you by another name - Travis? or are you just the fly on the wall? Who was he anyway and where did he go? He seemed like a poet. Anyway I vote for IMAM's methods of operation and Eileen's syle of up-frontism vs. curious is as curious does from what little I can gather from this series of geo-thermal left-right-middle ground exchanges. Hey curious is that your man in the White House?

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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T~It's 11:16AM my time and I need to get off the computer. I'm up for trying this evening. Try emailing me again and suggest a time. I don't know why that didn't come through, but I'm out of here. Later...

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: tortilla flats
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Nicole, that was truly graceful. My Compliments...........Thank You.................Travis

Name: IMAM
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Saddam is a tyrant - a dictator - an egotistical maniaic but Mussolini and Franco were facsists. Terrorists? Sure lots of terrorists in the world - and some of them are not muslim fundamentalists - some are christian fundamentalists. E.g. the Oklahoma Fed. building. Why didn't we just round up all the christian fundamentalist terrorists and anti-abortion sharp shooters based on their religious leanings? Again this is might be a rhetorically naive question. But then I really do favor non-violence and rearranging the way the wealth in the world so that it promote global health and survival. Forget Oil - forget power - forget nuclear technology - get back to common ground! IMAM-Suspect

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Travis~try again..email/phone number didn't come through.

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress: ooooO Cosmic
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Hey T..that was not veiled..that was overt. Did you take in my last post..that is why you are being treated with a certain amount of suspicion. The fact is, I am the one that made the veiled aspersion. So let's get on with it and get off this particular subject ASAP..cause I need to get off the computer and this is getting boring already. It is not entirely out of the question you are so plugged into me..or visa versa that somehow you are "picking up" from me. To clearify this, this is what I sent Steve shortly before your post here last night:

"...I think right off of the poster work from WW2 (Uncle Sam Wants You, Rosie the riverter), the Chinese Revolution, 1% Free poster as examples, (who the heck had any clue what that really meant but it was a great poster that I'm sure made people think)..."

So your email subject struck me as odd, since it didn't seem to relate to anything in your subject..do you see why that caught my eye? You just grabbed that out of the air? I have been trying to find the other post I referred to as well. It's just hard for me to spend the time on the computer it's taking to hunt for it, so will give it a go again later tonight.

So yeah, I am wondering if you got a new toy.

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

Comments

I actually was refering to a good friend of mine who IS an agent...and has told me he does that as part of his job...he's probably reading this and pissed off at me again...he has the ability to delete MY e-mail from MY computer after he sends me stuff so I won't forward it any more...now I don't sound paranoid, I sound delusional...trust me, I'm not...these are serious times Travis as you well must know and these kinds of things are real...the political cartoonist that just died, Bill Mauldin won the pulitzer prize for his editorial cartoon that shows two guys with long beards chained to the walls of a soviet dungeon, the text reads..."I'm in here for winning the nobel peace prize in literature, what was your crime?" I guess in a way I meant perhaps you had access, but really was thinking of it in terms of my pal, I apologize to you for mistakenly casting asspersions...Like Eileen, I think your an asset to the site, her analogy to the armour was spot on...sometimes you sound so republican...relax.

Name: Joe
EmailAddress: Hey Joe
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Well Ohio Girl not only cant I find it in my heart to criticize going after terrorists, I fully support it. Having been at the World Trade Center bombing in 1993 and then again in 2001, I feel no sympathy toward Islamic Fundamentalism. In 1993, nerve gas was added to the fertilizer and diesel fuel in the back of the rental truck to try to not only topple World Trade Center One but also to kill those responding to help. In 2001, I saw hundreds jumping from the upper floors. Do you know what the impact is on the human body from that height? I also 3x narrowly escaped death myself. Call me old fashioned but if someone tries to kill me twice, I have no compunction about killing them. I dont give a damn what their cause is, or who's sensibilities it violates. That being said, the unfortunate part or maybe the inevitable part or maybe the sickening part, with the people who are involved in decision making at this time, this war against terrorism is being used to advance an agenda that the right has been pining for for a long time. Intrusions in civil rights, domestic surveillance, free reign for big business, environmental law repeals, crushing labor unions etc. As for the War in Iraq it seems at least to me that it involves personal motives for Bush as well as of course financial motives. Saddam Hussein is as big a fascist as they get, but is that the reason we are going after him? I dont think so. There are plenty of others just as bad. He isnt the only one with terrorist links. All Ive seen so far are empty shells and missing invoices.

Name: IMAM
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Bang - pop - zow!

Curious, who put the atomic waste in your cereal? I f war is an option in your book for somehow solving any situation then you and I will have little to say to one another. Why bother - when you see a justification for killing people, poluting the environment with used uranium casings, and maintaining an archaic system of power - greed - and violence that will only beget more violence. But hey - it that or anything like it is your bag - then so be it. You too can be replaced. The world I envision is a world without war - this is because we stop having them - not becuase we have war in order to not have anymore war. Then again you will think I am naive - Then again curious - I really don't care. IMAM-Suspect

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: solutions not salvation
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Eileen, If you check your email, real quck, you will find my phone number. I am here, right now, your time 10:40, I suggest that you make a operator assisted collect call to me right now, and we will very quickly cut through thirty plus years of overburden................I think the identity of your number can be witheld on that basis, but if not please advise on this site in the next 20 minutes or so...........I don't bite, anymore.........Travis IWWC (International Werewolf Conspiracy)

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: what is wrong with this picture
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Eileen, we are in the middle of another conversation, but I am involved in several--And, if you also read the implication in Nicole's message, the same way, obviously, as did I, then what the fuck is up with her? Do you think that I'm working for the FBI or some other intelligence agency--because I'm not, and y'all don't have to like my bristling at those kinds of bullshit. Really, how would you like it if someone launched those kind of veiled suggestions at the doorstep of someone you knew well, rather than someone you knew but cannot remember.

Name: Eileen
EmailAddress: we at our trenchers..not trenches!
Date: 29 Jan 2003

Comments

Thanks Nicole..good morning my dear.

Well Travis take exception, but one can not help but feel a bit paranoid when references to things I have sent Steve in email have ended up in two of your posts over time. It may be coincedence, but my back is up. Fortunately my email and computer use would bore anyone else but me..but this may not be about me. The idea of ANYONE being able to poke their nose where they weren't invited ofcourse does not warm the cockles of my heart. I have given you direct and invited route to my email..it has been no secret here. But it's still am act of trust.

Travis, I am always interested in a good mind. You obviously have one. But you come barging in like you've just come in from battle with armor and sword still drawn to a room full of folks talking at ease by the fire. Yes we are aware there is a battle raging, but it's not in this room. We are sitting right now and you are welcome to join, but you need to dress down and ease up. It is hard to read your intention. Are you trying to let us know you are different than we are? More battle fit, more thoughtful, more knowledgable, ready to call us out? Then taking offfence at our discomfort and suspicion. Are you friend or foe? Do you want a place at this table or are you going to stand over us haranguing? I think we're all still waiting for you to shut the door to the cold air and sit down.

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: dazed and confused
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Nicole, if that was mistaken on my part I apologize....but would you mind explaining the reference to Rosie the Riveter in the context you intended to convey...............Travis

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Curious...that had absolutely NOTHING to do with you...don't flatter yourself...I was talking about something totally different...but perhaps thou doest protest too much???

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: sprites and thunderstorms
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Eric, When you vilify a person, rather than seek to council with him, you have taken the first step towards war--if you can so can your nation................Travis

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: foolin' around in the new briar patch
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Nicole, and I quote,"and then proceed to make comments on the contents of My mail...Rosie the Riveter?" That kind of character assasination through innuendo is exactly the egregious behavior to which I take vehement exception.................T

Name: Eric
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Travis/Curious,

US electric consumption is 20% nuclear. Thanks to the late 70s antinuke movement it is not 40%. There has not been a new successful order in the US for a nuclear power plant since 1974. However, the Nuke Industry is working fulltime to change that. With its toadies like SUN Microsystems CEO Scott McNealy, we are inching toward a fullblown rebirth of nukes in this country. I will be on the barricades again trying to stop the madness. Where will you be? Reading about it on a computer screen powered by your local nuclear plant I suppose.

Name: Nicole
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

Comments

Travis, I simply answered a question asked, several times by several people. Who is this guy...I remembered Lynnie talking about someone from Texas in connection with the MF's and so I asked her if she remembered his name, she told me Travis...I posted here to you mr. curious is as blah blah blah if your name was Travis...you said yes, so up to this point Lynnie was right...I have known her for 32 years and all though I don't always agree with her opinions...she has every right to have them...she shared her opinion of you with us...as a matter of fact...she posted to you here and I don't believe you responded...I could be wrong there...but some of your rants make me think she was not too far off the mark...and yes Travis you are entitled to YOUR opinion as well.

Eileen, Those black blocs you mentioned...2 years ago here in NYC there was a very well organized, very peaceful march and demo in support of Leonard Pelltier...from Union Square up 3rd ave to 59th st. Suddenly around 45th st all hell broke loose when about 8 people dressed in black (like ninjas) started pushing and shoving etc...they were arrested and thrown into a passing city bus and driven away...but the damage was done...it put a bad light on the march...could they be one in the same?

Also Sam, there is a soft ware program that enables the user to track people it's used by FBI etc. My friend who is an agent e-mailed me about something and when I forwarded his e-mail to a couple of people, the next day he e-mailed me and said,"how dare you forward my stuff to someone else" and then proceeded to make comments on the contents of MY mail...Rosie the Riveter?

Name: Tomas
EmailAddress: tomas@laurelrose.com
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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nuclear power:

There is a mile on the Ohio River where and when you put metal into the water it dissolves in a matter of months. (Mile 962 Ohio River). Nobody seems to know why it is so? Industry up the river from this area is a cement processing plant and a government aluminum enrichment sight. If you hold cement in your hand for a very long time it burns. Cement is very caustic. At the aluminum enrichment plant they have found toxics in the ground and water near the river where this plant is located. The enriched aluminum goes back to power nuclear plants. Nobody wanted to investigate but they did a few years back. Nobody said anything for thirty years, it flared up a couple of years ago and now it is quiet again. The unions want their employees to be treated for the cancers but they want the jobs to stay as they are. Today this is history and the news is moved onto the back pages of societies burners. The plant may be closed and cleanup is in process. The Ohio River is still polluted and the steel still dissolves in the water and no one knows why.

Name: Ohio girl
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Thanks sincerely, concerning my health. I had come back to the guestbook to add to my previous comment, that in all honesty I can't find it in my heart to be dead-set against the fact the US went after the terrorists. I am extremely sorry we've got a scary attorney general from hell who believes any means justify the end and who steps all over people's human and legal rights, I don't think his means justify the end I wish we had some up-front leaders for the struggle against terrorism. But I see no justification whatsoever of the USA using 9-11 as an excuse to go to Iraq. About nuclear weapons, yes that was the gist of the 1949 encyclopedia article I was reading, which you might not find in a modern article written about WW2. Having invented these weapons of mass destructions during WW2, people right at the end of the war clearly saw that it was now time to study the war no more. Peace.............

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: below the 38th parallel
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Ohio Girl, thanks for your posting--is honorable war possible, of course; but the nuclear environment brings with it a certainty of massive repercussions, that frankly lead to the notion that any super-power dalliance will lead to the use of limited thermonuclear weapons--and that reality continues to beggar the imagination. Every one of us fears this possibility, those that don't are living in denial of reality. We walk through our day afflicted in various way by the internal struggle produced by this knowledge. For those of us born after the devastation of Japan, the realities attendant to mushroom clouds are real and terrifying; and yet, they are but included in the collective memory of Dachau and the killing fields of Cambodia. The purges of Stalin, and the mass starvation of his own people also rank with these crimes. I will continue to pursue the truth of our collective predicament, no matter who rises in opposition to my beliefs. I have been following what you have written about your medical struggles--with no specific advice to give I can but salute your resolute and determined course to seek the best health available to you. I wish you the very best of luck and of science in your struggle. Thanks again, .....................Travis

Name: curious is as curious does
EmailAddress: home is where the hearth is
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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McMingus: throw me a Ching, if your willing, and lets see together how to proceed from your perspective................Travis

Name: Ohio girl
EmailAddress:
Date: 29 Jan 2003

Comments

Thanks Nicole, I was smiling out loud in the very early morning yesterday when I read about your TV. Thanks Nurse Ratchet, and for the e-mail too. Yes I need to take responsibility for the rest of the healing here. Now I'm told I have to wait 2 months and get re-tested, why not help make sure I'm well by the end of the 2 months. That's far easier than just waiting.

Do you know who Rosie the Riveter is? It's real human beings, women like my mother-in-law. She was an absolutely gorgeous woman in the 1940s. She went to work in a defense plant. When the supervisor harasssed her she quit. He told her she couldn't quit because it was defense work. She told him yes she could, and she went down the road and got a job at a different defense plant. She was a beautiful woman who helped build bombs for the war effort. Today she is unable to take the oxygen off her face even long enough for a photograph, she's bloated and confused from terminal heart disease and from the dozens of medicines she takes each day, and she's still the spunkiest person you're likely to come across. "World War II was fought on every continent and every ocean. Most of the people of the earth took part in it. It was a total war, in which the civilian was as likely to be attacked as the soldier.... One of the main results of the war was a growing feeling among men that all wars must stop if the human race is to survive." That's from the 1949 (year I was born) World Book Encyclopedia. I've been doing research because I'm writing a "true" story at the moment that involves WW2. My father, although he disagreed with us hippies, was a natural pacifist who even believed fishing was cruel or killing a bug if you absolutely didn't have to. He hated Vietnam. Yet he served in WW2 for the entire duration. He repented of the killing just before he died. Maybe WW2 was "necessary," maybe it was the exception to war being wrong, the time when people really had to stand up and fight for what they believed in. I don't know. The U.S. got into WW2 very, very slowly, only when forced to. WW2 is pretty much the opposite of any "war" the U.S. has done since then, pretty much the opposite of wanting to go over and mix it up with Iraq.

Name: McMingus
EmailAddress: a little blue - but not too surprised
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Seen it elsewhere with discussion boards on the net. A congenial group gets together, starts generating some worthwhile energy. At which point, somehow the vibe gets out in cyberspace, Hell who knows what kinda other-worldly psychic Geiger counters these un-dead creeps use, but before you know it the not-quite-human vampire throng is all over it, making problems & sucking energy. They are positive-orgone-life-energy draining Aliens and the best means of defense is to ignore such offensive incursions entirely. Power to the [Real] People !

Name: Silent Steve
EmailAddress: Diggers New York Fuckin' City
Date: 29 Jan 2003

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Travis Ol' "Pal",..I guess I do owe the "Community" an apol